Why does Chad Dawson not fight at SMW?

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It doesn't matter if it was crap 5 years ago...or whatever. It matters only that its better than LHW and MW NOW (and certainly for the last two years), so it makes sense for a young pre-prime fighter like Dawson to move to 168...now.
     
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  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :happy :happy :happy

    I only worry about his attitude/mentality and chin. :think
     
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  3. whit

    whit Active Member Full Member

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    Ok my thing is this and this include american and euro fighters. Kessler is the only fighter on Dawson's level at the SMW division right now (we all know Calzaghe is the man there) so why should he waste his time to hit SMW for 1 fight and then move back up to LHW? Mundine, bute, etc. are ok righters and all and most of them will find a way up to LHW eventually so he really should not waste his time with them at the moment. When they move up he will already (should be) established as the man of the division and I think it will make for a good time at Light Heavy.
     
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  4. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    I don't think there is any money to be made at 168 ... you have to go to Europe ... run the risk of getting screwed out of a decision --

    While at 175 ... there might be over the hill fighter there but there's also a big cash cow in RJJ.

    He's back in the spot light and to land a fight with him you're do your biggest payday.
     
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  5. King Dan

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    I'm interested to hear what he has to say about the situation tonight when he is a guest on Between The Ropes.

    Check the site that gives Fight News.
     
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  6. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Please tell me what I wrote that didn't make sense. Name one top, foreign SMW that is a draw in the states. Kessler vs. Calzaghe barely registered a pulse in the U.S. Sorry but no one cares about those guys in the U.S. Why would Chad go down in weight in order a bunch of guys the people in the U.S don't care about? LHW is a more glamorous division with better financial opportunities.

    As far as these overrated American fighters that you refer to, that's your opinion. There are plenty of overrated Euros to go around, but I won't even get into that. Kessler, Calzaghe and the rest of them know where the gold is. They've even admitted that they want to be big names in the States. :deal
     
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  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    175 still has more talent and bigger names.

    Like I said, historically speaking, 168 is ****. It is not now, nor has it ever been, a "prestige division".

    The question people SHOULD be asking is why that ass-clown Calzaghe hid in the 168 pound division for so long?

    :smoke
     
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  8. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    No US networks are going to televise any super middleweight fights ... and if so they're not going to headline an event.

    The 168lb division might be good in Europe but not in the US.
     
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  9. TFFP

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    Why do you have to go to Europe? The Kessler fight was mooted for Montreal, and I'm pretty sure he wants exposure in America. Bute fights in Canada mostly. Taylor would obviously be in America. Fringe guys like Miranda or Andrade would be in America

    Why are you so concerned about money - as a boxing fan? I'm more interested in seeing the best matchups personally, and they ain't at LHW for Mr. Dawson...
     
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  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Of course! Because unless they become a draw in the USA, they'll never get to fight (and beat) some of the overrated overhyped Americans! Look at Calzaghe...he had to fight Lacy and then Manfredo to finally get closer to a fight against Hopkins!!! Had he not fought these two fights, he wouldn't be fighting Hopkins now, because he'd just be another Euro-bum.

    There are overrated Euros, for sure, but none of them are overrated as much as their American counterparts...not even in Europe!

    Dzinziruk - not overrated but very much underrated - could beat anyone at LMW, including Spinks, Forrest and delaHoya, but will never get the chance to prove it...

    Abraham - biggest threat to Pavlik and Taylor and Wright at MW - probably could beat at least 2/3 if not all of them...

    SMW - Calzaghe, Kessler...both Euros...

    LHW - Calzaghe will beat old man Bhops and the best of the rest is Dawson...who instead of fighting at 160 or 168 fights at 175 because that's where American dinosaurs go to die...

    ...see what I mean?
     
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  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    But that's only because the casual US fan doesn't know who these guys are and that they're any good. If these Euros would get a chance against some of the American boys, beat them and prove their worth in the USA, they would be a big draw against the better US boys...

    And look! It seems like the US networks are starting to wake up and smell the coffee! Showtime offered Kessler a shot at Miranda which would have made Kessler well known to the US casual fan.

    ...Unfortunately for the European fighters in general, Kessler declined it! :(
     
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  12. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Thats the goal of all fighters ... they want to get paid ...

    They have families ... wants ... needs ... bills ... just like all of us. Who wouldn't want money no matter what you line of work was.

    Why do you think US fighters skip the 168 division or don't elect to go to Europe because they would end up getting screwed on a decision.
     
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  13. TFFP

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    And you think he'd be short of money in the SMW division? Where there is a big name like Taylor? Where Chad "next American superstar" Dawson can be matched with other young hungry fighters? :lol:

    Get some perspective will you?

    Thanks for confirming my suspicion though, he is only in that division for money and/or an easy path
     
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  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    They might not get screwed on a decision...I would not say that you are likely to get screwed in Europe, unless you fight a German star in Germany...but the same goes if you fight a US star in the US too!

    But yeah, you're right! I'm not saying I would not be doing the same ting...but I wouldn't call myself THE BEST and p4p and all that, just because I fight overrated, have-been NAMES, for a lot of money...you cannot have it all...

    Look at PBF: asked why he's not fighting Cotto, he said: "De la Hoya is the biggest fight in boxing...everyone knows that!" - and what he meant was: you can make more money than against anyone, not to mention that de la Hoya is overrated and thus I will also get a lot of credit for beating him...
     
    Decebal, Mar 27, 2008
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  15. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Everyone goes after the biggest purse. Miguel Cotto was begging Oscar for a fight. Calzaghe is fighting Hopkins for the money. Yesterday, everyone was trying to justify Kessler's actions by saying that he probably found a more lucritive offer.
     
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