Why does everyone say SRR was the best of all time

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Nawfal, Aug 26, 2007.


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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    A beneficial peak? What the ****? Of course it's not "beneficial". But because fighters have peaked after "30 fights" in the history of boxing, it's been shown that this can sometimes be the case.
     
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  2. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Posting that in no way validates such ludicrous views.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    You know what? It's actually possible. But you have failed so completely to show this that this is actually your most ludicrous claim in this thread. Which is saying something.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :patsch

    And your offering have about the same value, in my opinion.
     
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  5. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Posting what you THINK is true doesn't make it true.
     
    Lance_Uppercut, Aug 26, 2007
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  6. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have logically debunked one 'Pep-pert' myth.

    "Old timers were superior because of/benfited from fighting an increbible number of fights."

    This myth has been replaced by the following now common knowledge:

    "Legendary old timers fighting so frequently throught their entire career only has potential for a detrimental effect on their individual performances (through effects on training cycles and general wear on a fighter). Although it adds to their legend and greatness, the suggestion it in some way benifited them relative to todays fighters is at best niave."

    It is a perfect example of how training/sports science has progressed in the sport since the 40s.
     
    China_hand_Joe, Aug 26, 2007
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  7. McGrain

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    Some did some didn't. Not ALL. I will not feed your paranoia with that claim. But SOME fighters who have exsisted hav got better with more fights. If you can's admit it you lose all credibility.

    This is so naive. For some, yes. For others, no.

    ...already covered this, I think. Ten times.
     
    McGrain, Aug 26, 2007
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  8. McGrain

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    Anyway, for anyone who is interested, here are some fighters that Ray didn't fight that he could have been expected to fight:

    Cocao Kid (ATG)
    Holman Williams (ATG)
    Jack Chase (Great fighter)
    Lloyd Marshall (ATG)
    Ezzard Charles (ATG, arguably #1 - but they may have missed each other in terms of weight)
    Archie Moore (ATG - as above)
    Jimmy Bivins (Great fighter, as above)

    Finally, his dodging of Charley Burley was a disgrace.
     
    McGrain, Aug 26, 2007
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  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    It's a scientific fact that appreciating Calzaghe goes hand and hand with a high intellect.

    It also goes hand and hand with insanity, a catch 22 as they say.
     
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  10. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Robinson would have performed better had he fought today, using a modern fighting schedule in sync with proper training cycles.
     
    China_hand_Joe, Aug 26, 2007
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  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Bivins a great fighter? I think McGrain uses the same drugs as we do.
     
    Amsterdam, Aug 26, 2007
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  12. McGrain

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    Not neccesarily.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    He has wins over Burley and Charles for starters.
     
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  14. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    At their best?
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Burley at the absolute and perhaps unequaled peak of his best.

    Charles, there or thereabouts depending upon your stance on his best weight.
     
    McGrain, Aug 26, 2007
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