Why does everyone say SRR was the best of all time

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Nawfal, Aug 26, 2007.


  1. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is completely true. He wouldn't have lost to LaMotta for a start.
     
  2. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    That toad looking mother****er in the your Avatar isnt on my P4P list..(Actually, he might be if i ever actually made one)
     
  3. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Guys with extensive amatuer careers will usually fight very frequently within their first years as a pro. Guys like Kostya Tszyu and Oscar De La Hoya were fighting good guys early on in their careers. The only reason they really have some easy fights very early in their career is to generate public interest. Most times they would be sparring better guys then they are fighting.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    "Compltetly" is some claim for a hypothetical - about par for your course.

    Losing to one of the greatest pressure fighters in the history of the MW division over 10 rounds is perfectly plausible for any fighter, who could make 160, who has ever lived.

    But perhaps you should go to bed now. A serious poster who holds similair views has arrived.
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Charles has loss to subpar fighters, if I remember correctly, he was a hot and cold fighter. Charles also defeated Bivins multiple times to Bivins sole win. Kind of like La Motta's win over Robinson, La Motta could not defeat Robinson at his best, but caught that victory early in Robinson's career. I feel that these factors should be taken into consideration.

    Bivins was an exceptional fighter, but a 'great' he was not. I can't get past Bivins being pasted by lesser than great fighters on occassion, even if he has 2-3 great victories over massive names.
     
  6. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    I have been a Calzaghe fan for a long time now. I am neither insane nor an uppity snob. I willfully admit to having a case of the ******* now and then.
     
  7. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Please explain to me the technical skills that cannot be learned in 200+ amatuer fights but can be learned in 300+ pro fights plus an amatuer career. By fighting more they are merely over doing it and punishing their body. I never said that all modern day fighters had more so I am not wrong at all..... And you think that fighting through injury is beneficial in some way? And last of all, if it were a viable way of getting fighters to be the best they could be, they would fight more frequently like they do earlier in their career for a longer period of time. Obviously this is not the case though. Fighters benefit more from the rest and getting the extra time to focus on their skills in training camps.
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Well, I can admit to mild, but functional insanity on my part, it's not a big deal.:D

    Besides, you're not a hardcore JC fan, there is quite a difference from a casual appreciator to devout loyalty as a fan.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    In his run at Bivins he lost ONE in a link of fights that saw him leave for war with a string of great wins.


    Post war, yes indeed. An argument could be made that in their one peak fight Bivins won.

    Robinson had already dominated at Lightweight and welterweight and was a serious threat at MW as well as having numerous amatuer fights under his belt, so the term "early in his career" does not really apply here. Certainly according to CHJ's ludicrous criteria.


    As you wish.
     
  10. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    They simply don't though. If fighters have had long amatuer careers they don't need even thirty fights in most cases before they attempt to face the best opposition that boxing has to offer. You are completely wrong. If they hadn't peaked as fighters do you really think their managers would be throwing them to the wolves?
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I meant his best in terms of the preparation and the fight. I don't think the best Robinson showed up that night and it was early into his career, Robinson had a long career and an exceptional run as a top P4P fighter at that.


    Have nothing against him, I only seek to bring down jokes like Taylor. I do have a strict critera for the term 'great' however.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    None. But you can learn, for example, how your jab behaves at an advanced age in terms of retraction whilst coupling it with an imporved understanding of how a much younger fighter's jab will generally behave in terms of following with a hook. For example.

    You, if you are worth anything, are also learning how to avoid punishment. Not to mention how top class opponent number 201 leans outside when delivering an uppercut.

    Yes. For example it makes you better at fighting through injury. And therefore less likely to lose in that instance.

    Some.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Robonson did. So did Armstrong, Zivic and Greb. These examples are concrete.

    I am taking this into consideration.
     
  14. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    What exactly is a harcore JC fan? Someone who overrates his accomplishments while at the same time tearing anothers? Or one who makes ridiculous posts to try to make him seem larger then life?

    I've been watching Joe C fight for about 10 years now. I don't get hero worship for any fighters. Doesn't make me any less of a fan of the fighter.
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You should be careful to say so then; it's not right to say that Robinson was "early in his career".

    I only get so particular because you are a top poster.




    I'm not being ****y - I meant it literally. I will not quible over such fine lines. We both know he was very good.