Why does everyone say SRR was the best of all time

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Nawfal, Aug 26, 2007.


  1. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Where are these fighters that suddenly improved after 100 fights? And what is your explanation then for guys like Anthony Mundine being able to fight a long regning world champ like Ottke in his 11th pro fight and almost go the distance in a competitve fight? Or guys like Rahman becoming the undisputed world champion with no amatuer career and a limited professional career. Or any of the other numerous fighters in boxing who have succedded without anywhere near this ridiculous amount of fights? Surely if having a large amount of fights was a key to success then these fighters would have failed miserabley.
     
  2. McGrain

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    It doesn't hit the later rounds.


    Reasonable, but you're not appreciating how many fighters a fighter might have before he hits the big time OR how commited a fighter might be to a given style/phase of their career.

    :-(

    Not neccisarily; it was a rather arbitary example. What I am suggesting is that it would be a fool who didn't learn somethin new in every fight. And a fool who could not employ that information.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    For once. This is how you respond to almost every post.

    I form opinions and then defend them actively. More than you do, certainly.

    I don't consider my debating skills as effective as some; anyone reading through this thread though, can only conclude that YOUR arguments have been steamrolled entirely - you've offered almost nothing of value here.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Well, I placed the "suddenly" in speech marks so you would pick up on the fact that it isn't sudden at all. As to this exact figure "100", I can't say for sure, to be honest. I would guess that Zivic had around 100 before he came to the title; he certainly had many more before he retired and his time inculded many serious adaptions caused by many different factors. Greb would be my other serious offering. But it's worth noting that Robinson himself had more than 100 fights before he came to the MW title all in. For example.


    As i've said in the thread - not ALL fighters need this many fights to improve, not all WILL. I've been quite clear about that all along. In my opinion though, more fighters will improve with more fights. I certainly think CHJ's notion that 30-40 fights doesn't necesitate the definitive peak for all fighters is nonsensical.


    Of course. But i've never said otherwise.

    It would be nice if people would pay attention. It would save the rest of us a lot of work.
     
  5. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    How is learning in sparring worse. If anything it is more effective because you have the freedom to experiment with a variety of skills in an environment where losing the fight isn't a factor. Posts like this make me deeply question your knowledge of boxing. Have you ever boxed? If so you would realise that sparring sessions are for the most part VERY intense, and not a light training run. The major difference is being able to isolate weaknesses in your opponent under the watchful eye of your coach. If I could fight against a certain style of fighter 50 times in sparring completeing hundreds of rounds in the process, then surely this would be FAR better experience for me then 1 fight? Do you not agree?
     
  6. China_hand_Joe

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    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You have failed to give one example where a fighter has truly benifited from fighting 100 fights rather than 30, with proper training cycles over the same period of time.
     
  8. McGrain

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    And this is the key factor.

    I am not questioning the value of sparring which is very real. But if you can't see the differnce, there is no way for me to explain it.


    Not on any serious level.

    This is as much as I do understand, the limit of my involvment in the physical side of the game, over about six years until last year.

    Perhaps not so much in my physicl experience, although I understand what you mean.

    I do indeed. But I think i've dealt with this question now here and elswhere in the thread.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Not possible. Actually impossible.
     
  10. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Okay back to work for me. I am enjoying the debate for the most part, although I am still working on a thread that will hopefully one way or the other provide a more definitive answer as to whether modern day or the fighters of the previous eras are the more skilled fighters. Unfortunately if i spend any more time on this thread my work for today will be minimal.
     
  11. McGrain

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    I really can't belive this joke of a post.

    To answer it properly, I would have to provide an example of a fighter who fought 100 fights AND 30 fights whilst enjoying a "proper training cycle".

    And you won't even answer one third of the points I make in direct rebutle to what you say.

    :lol:
     
  12. McGrain

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    No cure for life bud.

    I would just like to say that I don't see it either way - that is I don't see modern or previous day fighters as "superior", for me, there is a parity.
     
  13. China_hand_Joe

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    Quite simply the tiny gain in technical knowledge, is more than offset by the negative effects the lack of a proper training cycle has on the physical conditioning of a fighter.

    I can appreciate there is a slight increase in technical knowledge a fighter gains having 200 fights rather than 100, even if this increase is tiny.

    And I appreciate these busy fighters were in good shape all year round. But todays less busy athletes are able to peak.

    I consider the physical advantages of peaking using a fulls training cycle to far out weigh the small gain in technical knowledge gained from fighting a vast number of fights.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Jesus, i'm really starting to find this a bit of a struggle now.

    I HAVE NEVER SUGGESTED THAT THERE IS A SERIOUS GAIN IN TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE TO BE GAINED FROM FIGHTING NUMEROUS FIGHTS.



    PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND.

    :lol:
     
  15. China_hand_Joe

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    Can you appreciate the advantages in physical conditining, outweigh the small technical gain? And that even Robinson's performances would have likely benifited from fightling less?