Why does everyone say SRR was the best of all time

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Nawfal, Aug 26, 2007.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Timing is the thing. So yes and no.

    The physical benefits of fighting for training is of huge advantage. In the case of Greb it led to a perfect fighting machine ("era for era", or whatever helps you to understand this more easily).

    He would be "most" ready for a big title fight if he could fight a huge number of fights for 10 years, then withdraw and rest for two months beofre training for 7 weeks for a specific fight.

    Possibly.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    My answer is only balance as regards THIS post.

    Which alows for the LEAST important aspect of frequent fighting as I have tried very very very hard to explain, only to be dragged back into a discussion about technique.
     
  3. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is a quite acceptable way to go about things, though not perfect.

    The drawback is however, during that 10 year period of frequent fighting, due to constantly upcoming fights he could never get in the really intense training, that he could have.

    His proportion of intense training over those 10 years, would be far lower than that of Floyd Mayweather. Over those 10 years, all the extra high intensity training Floyd had got in would benifit him.

    Basically Greb would have missed out on a lot of high instenity over those 10 years, preventing him reaching his full potential physically.

    It would be a level that simply couldn't be matched by doing one proper cycle at the end of the 10 years. You cannot build Floyd Mayweather fitness in 7 weeks, even from a very good starting base, if the intensity had been lacking for the previous 10 years.

    I think the difference will show in Mayweather - Hatton. Hatton does the cycles, but is a disgrace between training camps (and proud of it), so he isn't really building fitness up over time either.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This is so completely wrong.

    There IS no more intense training than fighting all the time. Surely when you complain about the detrimental side of fighting all the time you mean it is to intense?!
     
  5. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The downside to constantly fighting is the physical punishment.



    I'm talking about the physical intensity- drills utillising the principle of overload.



    Fighting is tough, but it isn't intense as training where you are overloading. (interval training, weights etc, certain bag sessions)
     
  6. McGrain

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    But all of this is designed to perfect the fighter for his time in the ring.

    Regardless of how you describe your training it is just that. Nothing like as good as the real thing for getting good at the real thing.


    This is so obvious...
     
  7. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is incorrect where physical fitness is concerned. It does apply to technical knowledge and sharpening skills but not physical fitness.







    Lets for example look at a purely physical sport. 800m.

    No 800m runner trains by running the 800m more than on rare occassions in training.

    Overload is key

    They will run intervals of 200m (faster, than they race 800m)

    They will go on long runs, say 9 miles, which is further than they race.

    By doing this they hone all the different elements which will come together in competition.



    The same priciples apply when physically training yourself to box.

    In a hard training session, you want to do more than you do in the ring on fightnight (though only specific elements at one time)

    You have to overload. You need to throw more punches, work harder, take shorter rests between rounds or work longer - but not all in one session obviously. These are the things that improve you physical capabilities best.



    Fighting a ton of boxing matches is not overloading at all, it is far far from the optimum training to improve your physical fitness for the purpose of a boxing match.
     
  8. McGrain

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    It specifically targets every facet of your fitness/strength which is relevant better than any training program can possibly manage.
     
  9. Super_Fly_Sam

    Super_Fly_Sam Aus Boxer Full Member

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    Of corse u can find footage of rjj and floyd doin there thing in heaps better quality the ray's...

    the man began his career in the 40's film was in its early days... they didnt have HBO back then
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    You blatantly don't have a clue about proper boxing technique.

    Firstly SRRs footwork is 1 of the best of all time. Calazage and RJJ has **** poor footwork in comparison and is very basic. They don't have the changes in foot placement that SRR has to get more torque in his punches

    You talk about punch sharpness and then you refer to Calazages slaps :lol: Calazage is fast because his punches are slaps.

    The combination of technique, speed, sharpness, power of Robinsons punches was above anything RJJ/Calazage could dream of.

    Next you say SRR doesn't use the jab enough making him technically poor BUT RJJ does :lol: Have you seen any of either fighter? Because SRR uses the jab ALLOT and RJJ uses it rarely.

    RJJ may have had more natural speed, BUT he didn't throw in combinations aswell, didn't have as much quality throug hthe rang of punches. Roys defensive tactics were poor past prime, SRRs were still elite

    And Mayweather would destroy SRR :lol: SRR would KO Mayweather within 6rounds. SRR is probably faster than Mayweather with handspeed who isn't that fast. Even if he wasn't he'd jab Mayweathers head off, break his ribs with bodyshots before landing a 10punch combination KO (YES A COMBINATION SOMETHING MAYWEATHER DOESNT DO :lol: ). Mayweather has problems defending against jab hook combos from slow as mollasses Castillo :lol: Yet hes going to destroy SRR :lol:

    Bringing Calazage into a discusion about SRR is hilarious his technique is very poor (and I rate Calazage P4P top5). So what if he keeps his hands up he can't defend against a straight right hand :lol:
     
  11. Nawfal

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    :patsch

    my point was that its not right to base an opinion on short clips
     
  12. McGrain

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    I agree with this.

    But there are plenty of SRR's MW fights on film. Track them down if you haven't already, well worth your time.
     
  13. achillesthegreat

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    His record speaks for itself and there is more than enough footage available.
     
  14. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. It is an inefficent and ineffective way to train.

    Physically conditioning yourself for the purpose of boxing by fighting absolutely pales in comparison to the level achieved through proper training implementing overload on your body.

    This is universally (or so I thought) accepted.
     
  15. McGrain

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    If this was the case, a fighter who had previously done only 6 limits would already be ready for 15 round fights thanks to his training.

    Boxing in the championship rounds would only be about correct tactics.

    No man is more physically or mentally prepared to go 12 rounds of boxing than a man who has recently done it.