No, I am realistic on how the sport has evolved as such through time. I don't buy into the romanticism of older era's like some do and therefore do not watch the older video's with rose coloured sun glasses and oddly miss evident problems within them. I don't even rate Floyd as top 50. We are talking head to head though and head to head straight up and not taking era's into consideration. Some people believe that the man in those video's with 0 changes would beat Floyd, this is as erroneus as it gets.
I cant for one minute believe that your calling Ray slow! Do you have a speed gun or something to somehow make this opinion anything other than that? old video is always decieving in the speed aspect, it always looks slow and sluggish, and unless you were there in person, which i very much doubt, I cant think for one reason why you could possibly say how SRR was slow? There just isnt anyway you can make such a point without sounding like a twat!
Video from the 40's and 50's had less problems than video's from the 30's. It can showcase the speed very easily and it's ludicrous to say that I needed to be at the fight live to analyse his quickness, the video is crystal clear. Ray is reasonably quick, which was lightning for that era, but he's not near the speed of a Roy Jones level guy, not at all. Just watch the video and compare, his speed is not even comparable to Calzaghe for that matter, Calzaghe's hands and feet are 3x as quick and that's not a joking statement. I'm only sounding like a twat to you because you don't want to believe what I am saying. I am here debating in a civil manner and citing what I have observed, what is the problem with that, other than me pointing out things that you don't want to hear?
If we're going off of straight ability and skill and not era/era resume, then Robinson is not even comparable to Jones. Rose coloured glasses prevent observation from taking this into universally agknowledged fact. I always laugh when people claim that they are tired of modern fighters 'declining in skill'....
SRR may be the GOAT, but I think prime-for-prime Roy Jones beats him heads up. Different types of athletes, and different training.
For me: when he stepped up to MW he was landing HARD on account of he was unsure. This is to begin with. Before this ever occured he was a fighting machine. At LW Sugar was an uncrowned champ. At welter he dominated serious competition. At MW i saw him - as good as anything i've ever seen. Ever. He's p4p #1. Probably.
He competed in the top 1% of the same sport. Even if your indefensable theories governed boxing this would be an indefensible statement. And they don't. Keep pushing. Any truth repeated over and over can become so. Me too. Consider the other way.
If you are saying "Jones is quicker than Robinson" I think that position is defensible (though not correct) if you are saying "old fighters are less quick than new fighters" I think that position is ludicrous.
I have not read the whole thread. For me, I don't belive that you called Robinson's footwork poor, I think you know better than that. This is not accurate. The two are completely co-dependant. You are joking? Counter-intuiative. You must do better. Open to just about anything? Like a right lead, left upper combo? Always? Since when has being pinned on the ropes getting hit been tactical positioning? If you mean, "it worked," you have a point, that is all. Because "old time guys" couldnt' punch? Even old pub-landlords could punch. Roy is quicker in the glide. Ray is quicker in the roll and the squirm out, no question. Also the counter in risk v reward toughies. We now know why.
Wrong. He would press the fight serious after Cal broke his hand (4 at the latest - keeping Greb of was a full power job). Greb KO 9 Calzaghe.