Why does fighting off the backfoot mean you are controlling the fight?

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  1. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Every fight this happens it seems like the guy who's going backwards is "controlling the fight" in most people's eyes, even when the guy who is "chasing" as was the case last night is landing more jabs, putting the backfoot fighter in uncomfortable positions constantly etc.

    What was Jacobs actually doing that was so impressive to people? Is the guy really controlling the fight when he has to switch stances in desperation because his face is constantly eating GGG's left glove?

    His only real success is that he managed to neutralize GGG's offense (in terms of power shots) to some extent by moving around so much but at the same time he sacrifices his own offense as a result, so that's neither here nor there, and he had a some flashy combinations occasionally but at no point was he in control of this fight.
     
  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    If effectively defending and evading shots while forcing your opponent into selective movement, you are winning the ring generalship and defense portions of professional boxing scoring criteria. That's 2 of the 4 criteria. And, if defending and evading well, the stalking opponent isn't fulfilling the effective aggression criteria.
     
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  3. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    I didn't see it as effective, and I don't think GGG's aggression was inneffective based on how the fight panned out. For me effective means you're able to put yourself into positions where you can outland your opponent, control the distance and the pace of the fight for stretches. That didn't happen.
     
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  4. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It does not but a bunch of biased Mayweather fans are now trying to re-write the sport. The three scoring criterea are lead, style, defense just take up a judging or coaching course as an amateur. You don't win fights on the back foot by missing most your shots, getting your head snapped by jabs all night and getting dropped and rocked without hurting your opponent badly once.
     
  5. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In all fairness you can be in control of the action on the back foot, but you have to be getting clean shots off and making your opponent miss. Mayweather is a good at controlling a fight on the back foot example of this but his fans now seem to think running away is being in control.
     
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  6. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Also scoring it in such a manner is ridiculously biased against forward fighter, especially when the opponent's got reach/height advantage, it's easier to run around and not get hit then to mount an effective offense. That'd mean the forward fighter is fighting an uphill battle from the get go purely by him having to be the one to make something happen to win the round.
     
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  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good post. It's so simple, but you are really on to something. How is going backwards and eating jabs like they're snickers bars a good thing in boxing?
     
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  8. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Of course it's possible, but you'll often find that counter punchers who are REALLY in control don't actually do full runners all night. A lot of the time they just stand there daring for an opponent to throw a punch so they can capitalize, why? Because they were able to stop the opponent and control the distance and the pace of the fight.
     
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  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Taking the lead is harder to do in boxing. The aggressor deserves the benefit of the doubt in close fights. Unless you're swinging wildly and missing constantly I like to give rounds to the aggressor. If you are walking down you're opponent and you land many more punches that's a solid decision victory.
     
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    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Juan Manuel Marquez comes to mind. He can take control of the fight without taking the lead and doesn't need to run, clinch or back up to do it.
     
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  11. Jimako

    Jimako Active Member Full Member

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    Floyd did that well and won, but Jacobs is no Floyd
     
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  12. 941Jeremy

    941Jeremy Active Member Full Member

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    If you're effectively fighting off the backfoot then of course you're controlling the fight. And to be effective you have to keep the opponent at the end of your jab, set traps, and keep the fight at your preferred range. Jacobs did this in spots but he also engaged in spots. All in all I think he kept the fight at his preferred range more so than GGG. Although GGG was versatile enough to fight well with the looks that Jacobs was giving him. Jacobs fought a good fight but didn't maximize his gameplan to its fullest potential.
     
  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    You asked a question, I gave an answer.
     
  14. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    My question was obviously related to the fight last night and similar cases not why a fight may be scored for a defensive fighter in boxing in general..

    Basically the point of this thread was that you're not necesserily outboxing your opponent if you're making him miss and running around the ring, it matters only when you are able to answer back.
     
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  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, those are not criteria in amateur OR pro boxing.

    Here's a link to international amateur rules. You won't find any of those listed

    http://www.abae.co.uk/aba/index.cfm/news/aiba-rules-the-scoring-system/

    And this is professional, not amateur, boxing.

    The four points of scoring in pro boxing are:

    Clean punching

    Defense

    Effective aggressiveness

    Ring generalship

    Here's a link:

    http://boxing.isport.com/boxing-guides/how-the-pro-boxing-scoring-system-works

    This is a good example of how frustrating it is for people who DO know boxing to read/post on message boards where people who have no idea what the rules are think they know how to score and referee fights.

    SMH.
     
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