Why does Golovkin gets criticism but Crawford doesn't

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  1. BCS8

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    Scoring the rounds Golovkin outlanded Canelo in all but two. If the judges had been biased towards GGG the scores could have been wide.

    Was the TV plugged in? Did you make sure that the switch was up? You may want to check that.

    Golovkin seems to fight mostly at his measured pace whatever is happening. But he did have his moments. Maybe you ought to watch it in Spanish. I'm pretty sure mitralia means machine gun, and that's what they were saying about Gennady ;)
     
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    Good post. I really hope Golovkin turns it into an inside war in the rematch. He's got to start fast early and smash Alvarez' body. If Saul manages to solve his stamina problems ... and really, with cardio, diet and high altitude training he ought to be able to ... Golovkin could be in trouble. I wish that Golovkin would let it hang out a bit when he traps Canelo on the ropes next time.
     
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  3. JohnnyDrama99

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    Competitive is not a knock on Alvarez. It's a compliment but an honest assessment. If 90%+ of the boxers, analysts, writers and fans who had the fight as a clear cut victory are "delusional".....then you have to begin asking yourself if you have a warped reality that places your perception in the very small percentage of people who thought Alvarez did enough to win or that it was close enough to justify the draw.

    Pressure isn't just throwing punches....it's also walking your man down and applying a mental pressure that expedites the process of wearing down your opponent. Boxing is very much a mental battle that can dramatically effect how a fight unfolds.

    Alvarez was conserving his energy which means he was feeling the pressure that GGG was applying. After the first 3 rounds Canelo made the strategic decision to continue conserving his energy by fighting only in spots based on what took place within the first part of the fight.

    That means he must have felt Golovkin presented a risk he wasn't keen on testing by sitting down on his punches more frequently. He wanted to make sure he had the reserves to make it to the later rounds to ensure he made it to the final bell.
     
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    You forgot this is the New World Order of boxing. Jabs to the head are not scoring blows anymore, jabs to the body, rabbit punches to the ribs and kidney, power shots to the groin and belt line region...now thats your good clean scoring blows.
     
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    It's boxing. Everyone is going to take their lumps. You would be delusional to believe Alvarez didn't eat his fair share of punches from GGG. Heads were snapping back on both sides...Nelo's more so simply because GGG was applying more offensive pressure. Don't get all in your feelings over this...I'm not taking shots at Alvarez. Just being honest. It's not like I'm saying he didn't do well in there. He made it a good competitive fight. He just didn't deserve the win or draw the judges gave him. You don't have to feel the need to defend you man with excessive use of emojis. Lol...relax
     
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  6. shadow111

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    It sounds like you're scoring the bout based on what the Compubox numbers are. That's a highly flawed way of scoring a boxing match. I know you've stated you've gone through the rounds and counted punches yourself, but what ever happened to you going through Round 9 and making a determination as to who landed the more clean effective punches in that round? That's what you need to do to actually score a fight, you know, actually decide who landed the better punches in a round.

    And FYI if you're so gung ho on punch stats, HBO had Canelo with a 14-9 punch stat lead with 15 seconds left in the 5th round, but yet Compubox magically had G outlanding him 18-14 in that round. I just don't see how you can score rounds based on punch stat numbers or counting punches yourself. Scoring a bout that way completey ignores the effective of the punches. Glancing / partly blocked / partly slipped or extremely light punches are not equal to hard clean flush punches. I would hope that you're a man of your word and you will go through the 9th round like you said you would. I think it will really help us bridge the gap. Why don't we go through Round 9 and rank the Top 5 "best / hardest / most effective punches" of that round?
     
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    Totally agree. These two could provide a real boxing classic if they decide to throw caution to wind and rely on their style and skills to make it a war. I'm just not sure if Alvarez is willing to let it all hang out the way GGG seems to be. Both of these guys have great body punches. I'm not sure why GGG completely neglected going there in the first fight but he definitely needs to add that to his fight plan in the rematch.
     
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    Look at this pedantic cucket giving another patronizing lecture. Go count Cuckelo's stolen money and think up new A side demands and advantages he can exploit.
     
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  9. shadow111

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    It's called talking boxing. If you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen.
     
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    G's head snapped back more than Canelo's head snapped back. This is because Canelo has better defense and is better at rolling with punches than G is, which was on full display September 16th. Canelo has more head movement than G. Canelo has more upper body movement than G.

    Canelo deserved to win just as much if not more than G deserved to win. We're sitting here on a draw. A draw means that neither guy won. You're trying to act like this was a clear victory for G when it wasn't. Not by a long shot. You are well within your right to believe G won the fight just as I'm well within my right to believe Canelo won the fight. We each have our reasons why we think our favorite fighter won the fight. I don't see why we can't discuss those reasons and challenge each other's view. You even admit that Canelo did well in there. Good, that's a start. I thought G did well too. They both did well, and given how even it was, a draw seems reasonable considering how the fight unfolded. That doesn't mean we can't think our fighter won, but lets not act like it's so clear that the other side can't be taken seriously. I'm fine with you thinking G won, and I'm happy to talk about it. I'd appreciate the same respect from you of me thinking Canelo won.
     
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    ****ing hell, you actually think Canelo deserved the win. A draw is a win when facing Canelo..Hes the money man, its easy to understand ! It was a clear win, the boxing community are united on it...You not hear the boo's from ringside everytime the camera panned to Canelo, it was the whole arena ! HIS FANS.
     
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    Cool story bro.
     
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    Fair enough. If you want to count the number of times each mans head snapped back be my guest. The fact remains GGG landed more punches on Canelo's face. The Alvarez defense you are so enamored with is fine, but be honest...most of his defense was back peddling. It wasn't like he was James Toney relying on real defensive savvy as his defensive foundation. Canelo wasn't languishing in the pocket using head movement, upper body movement, angles and lateral movement countering effectively the majority of the fight. He did so very sparingly with marginal success. Had he done that more, there would have been something to be truly impressed with.

    If Alvarez deserved the nod just as much as GGG then the numbers of those who weighed in would have reflected that. Seeing a clear winner to the tune of 90%/10% is as one sided as it gets. I am all for objectively discussing each sides point of view and fully open to rational arguments that oppose my own. It's when there's obvious non objectivity and closed mindedness displayed that destroys productive dialogue. I said Canelo did well because that's an honest statement and can't be argued with validity. Two fighters can do well in a fight with a clear winner. That's what I have always said regarding the fight between the two.

    The draw wasn't the appropriate outcome based on what actually happened over the course of 12 rounds. I'm cool with you believing Canelo won. We just have opposing views. The rematch is necessary and greeted with much anticipation. I think we will have a much better fight without the controversy next time.
     
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    Cheers bro ! It's nice to be nice
     
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    It's funny how none of the judges had it a "clear cut victory" for the Triple Duck. What happened there?