Why does Golovkin gets criticism but Crawford doesn't

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  1. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Some salty as **** Canelo folk in here. Close fight, your dude lost though.

    Crawford is fine as P4P 1 really. He doesn't have a big signature win yet but he's crazy talented and still has a way to go, whereas GGG is at the end of his career really so has more to be judged on historically. He's just getting the signature fights at 35 and history won't be kind on that
     
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  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    signature fight, single, not plural.
     
  3. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    While 135 and 140 were weak in competition, Crawford cleaned them out and moved up in weight.
    Golovkin has been stuck in place for years now.
    Luck of the draw, i guess.
     
  4. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    I'm anticipating the rematch and depending on the outcome another bigger fight after
     
  5. Swollen Liver

    Swollen Liver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cause Crawford is American. Let's be honest, the guy fought no one and has been delivered his belts on a silver plate. Things won't be as easy for him at 147 and I expect him to lose if he fights the division top guns sooner or later.
     
  6. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    good one, sorry, my bad

    I too look forward to another classic.

    I note you accurately said fight, not win.
     
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  7. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    huh? hes undisputed in his 20s. Hes a throwback to the times people did that.
     
  8. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see you have your own unique definition of the term Fad....which is fine. It's helpful to understand where you get your perspective on this topic. I can tell you're a bit sensitive to the accolades GGG has received throughout his career and that could be why you've created your own definition of the word fad specifically for Golovkin and others whom you view as unworthy of their accomplishments.

    I did bring Tyson into the conversation to provide a bit of color and context around why Golovkin is not a fad in the traditional sense of the definition.

    GGG's accomplishments are nothing close to minimal when it comes to a career in the sweet science. Matter of fact....he makes up a very small percentage of boxers who have unified a division, grabbed the #1 spot on the p4p ranks and successfully defended his titles. Less than 1% of all pro boxers can make that claim which can not be characterized as "minimal".

    Your perception of the fight is unique. It's not more accurate than my own. There's a very small portion of the viewing audience who have witnessed the fight between GGG and Alvarez who viewed things through the same lens you have. An overwhelming number of fans, professional boxers, trainers, boxing analysts and writers had GGG winning in clear fashion. Golovkin without question controlled the fight which is not even debatable. Numbers don't lie.

    Effective aggression is exactly what allowed GGG to control, range, pace and tempo. Alvarez was forced to back peddle the majority of the fight and impacted his punch output. GGG made Alvarez fight his fight, not the other way around. Canelo was forced into an uncomfortable pace and it saw his style shift from what we are all used to in fights with opponents like Khan, Kirkland and Liam where he was not back peddling to seeing him desperately looking for a way to get as much distance in between him and Golovkin as possible while only having marginal offensive success.

    Nelo's defense is good, not great. He was getting controlled by the jab of Golovkin and moved around the ring without answers to negate that one offensive weapon. He was only slightly more accurate from a connect percentage perspective and was grossly out worked over the 12 rounds which is why he clearly lost.

    Using angles, head movement, lateral movement and defensive savvy is true defensive skills...not back peddling. That's the crux of the defensive strategy Alvarez used against GGG. That's why he didn't have much offensive success because he was rarely within range to land his shots. He has the ability but was unable to showcase them in any sustained fashion against Golovkin and he paid for it.

    If Golovkin doesn't have power anymore, don't you think Alvarez wouldn't have opted to back peddle so much and instead walk GGG down? Obviously your perception of GGG's power differs from Alvarez who chose to keep at a safe distance as much as possible vs taking risks to land his own power punches.

    This seems personal for you. Nothing of what your argument is based on is fact, just emotions which warps your perspective. You're mad GGG has hype, then you're contradicting yourself saying he can't sell PPVs. You say he's mediocre yet he's a unified world champion and has defended his title successfully for years. Whatever your beef is, it's affecting your ability to be objective and causing you to come off as a very emotional fan boy.
     
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  9. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Are you denying that Hopkins was only the IBF champion at 35?

    Are you denying that he had to fight C level fighters like Echols and Allen 2 or 3 times?

    Am I making this up?

    If Golovkin had to fight Proksa 3 times you'd never stop talking about it.

    Still waiting for your irrelevant P4P list.
     
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  10. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Lmao, Golovkin is a bigger sell than any Domestic Yank fighter at the moment, the very fact that a Kazakh with Broken English is capable of accomplishing that is impressive. Golovkin being a foreigner and being popular in the United States is more impressive since he doesnt have the advantages American fighters have. So what Golovkin is doing is much more amazing and he's not American!
     
  11. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Crawford's legacy will be made at 147 and perhaps 154. He's lucky to have a TOP promoter in the game Bob Arum, Golovkin had wasted his early years with a management that sabotaged him.
     
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  12. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Exactly and @TheyDontBoxNoMore7 in this instance slated Golovkin for not being a PPV superstar yet must have forgotten about Bud's own PPV shot.
     
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  13. critix

    critix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    us boxer privileges
     
  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's funny, last time I checked the bout was declared a draw. It seems to me that you're under the delusion that G won the fight, but we can all plainly see that G's record is now 37-0-1. If Canelo had lost, then G's record would be 38-0. Canelo also had more total points 345-339, so if anyone came closer to winning, it was Saul Canelo Alvarez.
     
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  15. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Crawford's fans aren't calling him the greatest ever. They're not saying he's KOing HWs in sparring and the turn around and make excuses as to why he should avoid light punching Ward. They're not saying he's the hardest hitting boxer in history. Also Crawford is younger than GGG and has plenty of time to improve his resume and he is willing to move up.