Why does lifting weights do nothing for a fighter?

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  1. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It’s just a basic physiological principle, eventually you are constrained by your genetic potential. It’s more important to be ‘not weak’ rather than the strongest person in the world. I’ve been a strength coach for elite athletes for years, it’s amazing how much of a difference strength training can make intitially. But at a certain point it makes almost no difference if you add a few pounds/kgs to a squat/clean etc., it just becomes a waste of time chasing numbers. Those smaller numbers are also far more difficult to achieve than those initial gains, so it’s important that weight training doesn’t become everything.
     
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    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can gain a lot of strength without putting on weight. Weightlifters have weight restrictions. Strength training greatly improves running efficiency and prevents injury. That is well researched and documented in the scientific literature. So it helps immensely with everything else in a training program. If you’re not strength training you’re greatly limiting yourself, it’s not something to be compromised on. You should drop that supplementary conditioning before you drop supplementary strength training. Strength is an underpinning physical quality that helps everything else. Boxers get all the conditioning they need from sparring/pads/bag work. Fitness is very specific to the mode it’s acquired as well.
     
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    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The talk about bone density/width is irrelevant. It’s not contractile tissue, it has nothing to do with power/performance. Bone density increases in response to impact, but that’s just to protect itself. The length of a bone is related to torque/impulse but that’s nothing that you can change in anyway.
     
  4. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Err.. lots of sport has been around for hundreds of years. If you’re not basing strength workouts off science then what are you basing it on? Sports evolve, lots of sports that didn’t utilise weight training in the past now do. Records keep getting broken and understanding how to train keeps advancing. What an idiotic and self limiting philosophy it is to do something because ‘it’s what we’ve always done’.
    At the same time you’re saying sledgehammers and med balls aren’t good when that’s what the top national teams around the world have traditionally incorporated into their training? You can’t have it both ways.
     
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  5. Badbot

    Badbot Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Crolla, Monroe and Algieri have poor punch technique.

    Tevin Farmer can clearly punch. I can´t remember the last time he didn't actually hurt an opponent. Yet all he throws are slaps and arm punches.
    A lot of it comes down to technique.

    Strength exercises are great for conditioning, but thats about it. You wont magically hit harder unless you fix your technique.
     
  6. Lazar

    Lazar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don’t think anyone in this thread is truly sure of what they are talking about.
     
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  7. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just snac baby
     
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  8. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Technique and ability to land cleanly on a moving target, which involves putting yourself into the firing line more often than not. It's a mentality thing as well as a technical issue. You won't punch hard if all you're looking to do is score points while keeping yourself out of harm's way.
     
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  9. bandeedo

    bandeedo quaecumque vera Full Member

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    it took 10 frickin pages for you to catch up to what was covered in the first 2. now you want to pretend thats where you were all along. gtfoh you frickin ass clown.
     
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  10. tinman

    tinman Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lol. He basically just came to the same conclusion that others did about 8 pages ago. And hes been in the thread participating the whole time.
     
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    bandeedo quaecumque vera Full Member

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    he spent too much time in college memorizing labels and terminology, and not enough time piecing it together to see how it works. he thinks hes the only one that sees what hes doing.
    thats why i want to second your motion to bring back horse whippings. you wouldnt be seeing this type of nonsense.
     
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    RazzAxx Active Member Full Member

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    A candidate for most idiotic and stupid thread of all times goes for 11 pages :ARMS1:. Name one even national level athlete that never hit the gym. geez.
     
  13. thanosone

    thanosone I Am Eternal Full Member

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    Hmmmm all boxers lift weights.
     
  14. tinman

    tinman Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How about ATGs like Trinidad and Morales.
     
  15. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And it’s taken you 10 pages to still not understand anything I’m saying, the context or the relative importance of the factors. You’re really dumb, that’s why you think it’s here or there.
     

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