Why does lifting weights do nothing for a fighter?

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  1. bandeedo

    bandeedo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i never said they werent important, i said they werent the most important thing. i explained how much strength you can actually use when punching forward and why. i used that example as a guide for the factors involved. once you understand that, you can start to understand how it correlates to other parts of technique and efficiency in the ring.
    i will try to illustrate this point again in a different way. a technique for straight punching, is throwing shots with your fist half open and relaxed, the way you use it when palming shots thrown at you. you only use the muscles needed to propel your glove forward, you then tighten to a fist right at point of impact, and also twist your knuckles at time of impact. this achieves max velocity and rips the skin at the end. brute strength is not needed for this technique.
    what i have been talking about so far, applies only to straight punching. uppercuts and hooks to tha body work on a different principle, brute strength is more important there.
     
  2. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte #CLEARED like I said he would be Full Member

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    Maybe you and me throw straight punches and jabs differently but I recruit a lot more muscles than just my arms or my upper body when throwing those two punches.... and let me tell you.. they make a huge difference. The heavy bag doesn't lie either.

    Any punch you throw is going to recruit the whole body,, unless you are throwing it from a position where you can barely move at all.
     
  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    im not sure how you arrived at that point. ive also explained the legs function and how they synchronize with the upper body. but the legs need only enough strength to propel the weight of your body as fast as your reflexes allow it to. any more strength than that, does not come into play when we are talking about power in straight punching. upper cuts, hooks, clinching, maintaining balance, etc...are not covered under what i have been talking about. we can debate those things separately, but my whole argument is about weight lifting and how it pertains to punching power, displayed in straight punching.
     
  4. DonnyMo

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    Please explain how Victor Conte's hypoxic chamber and resistance bands helped Mikey.
     
  5. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte #CLEARED like I said he would be Full Member

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    All of the muscles required to propel your body forward for straight punches can be enhanced by weight lifting... infact I would say the only way to enhance them effectively is through weight lifting, core compound exercises....

    The only controversy here is the regimen/reps/sets/intensity... but it is a fact that the vast majority of all professional, world class fighters in the world in boxing, kickboxing, and MMA do some form of weightlifting.

    So this entire argument of weigh lifting is moot because the majority will be doing it too increase their power.

    Hell even Tyson Fury is deadlifting and rackpulling with the crappiest form... and he's your poster boy for sweet science over weight lifting.
     
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  6. Brighton bomber

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    There's a flaw in your thinking regarding the force required to throw a punch. While yes you only need so much force to propel your body, you are not limited by the amount of force required to do so, extra force beyond that is what will differentiate between a hard punch and a softer punch. If boxer only decided you use just enough force to move their body then you'd never get a knock out because the amount of force required to move your body is very little.

    Also why do you think increase force production wouldn't help with straight punches but would with hooks, uppercuts etc. Improved ability to produce power via the kinetic chain would still benefit straight punches, perhaps less than hooks and uppercuts but unless you are an arm puncher you are still using your whole body when throwing straight shots. From the pivot of the rear foot, to the extension of the calf, to the twist of the hips etc.

    It's simple physics, power = force x velocity

    Increase either force or velocity and you increase power. So if someone trains to increase force production and they have the technique to untilise that force properly then their power will increase.

    I'll also add resistance training also has other benefits beyond power production. For example it's proven to improve bone density which will help prevent injuries.
     
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  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i dont think youre understanding the whole concept. strong muscles are necessary, but only to the point that weight and reflexes are maximized. another illustration. usain bolt has tremendous leg reflexes, he has developed enough strength in his legs to fully maximize the reflexive speed with which he can move his legs to propel his body weight forward. any more muscle than that is not going to propel his body forward any faster, because his reflexes cant be made to move faster with more muscle strength. do you see what im talking about and how it pertains to my explanation?
     
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  8. bandeedo

    bandeedo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i never said you dont use your whole body, you dont understand what i wrote.
     
  9. pistal47

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    Its a lie, of course heavy resistance training can benefit fighters, especially if done properly. HUGE benefits.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've just noticed time and time again the biggest punchers haven't touched a barbell in their life. And yet guys who do like Crolla and Algieri would struggle to KO a Bantamweight.
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If that is indeed true can you imagine how hard Morales and Tito would hit with heavy weight training? They both already hit insanely hard, especially Tito.
     
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  12. Brighton bomber

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    It's because what you wrote makes no sense, lol.
     
  13. Brighton bomber

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    Correlation is not causation, plenty of non punchers don't lift just as many punchers like Joshua, Wilder, etc do lift.
     
  14. tinman

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    Wilders legs are the size of bantamweights. If he does lift weights then it cant be particularly heavy.
     
  15. Brighton bomber

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    There are vids of him squatting, that's what's so scary imagine if he didn't squat, how thin would his thighs be then!
     
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