Why does Mayweather have an obsession with old fighters?

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  1. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The last 2 fighters that were older than him were Marquez ( a fight he took after almost 2 years off,) and Oscar (where he met him at the full 154 lbs.)

    For the past decade, Mayweather has almost always been the older man in the ring. For most of his reign at the top of the P4P list, all the top P4P guys were seasoned veterans (most of them 30 years or older such as Klitschko, Martinez, Pacman, Marquez and so one) so I don't know how you can criticize his competition in general. The guy fought around 8 or 9 HOF or soon to be HOF bound fighters.

    If he fights guys in their lower 20's, people will criticize him for taking on fighters that are too green. SO it's almost a no win situation when discussing his career.
     
  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why is it such a struggle for him to fight guys 25-32 years old? You know the typical prime ages for a fighter?

    All the fans ask is to be a badass.
     
  3. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well fully knowing he doesn't do business with TR since he left them, who was he supposed to fight that he didn't?

    No one thought he'd fight Mosley, especially after what Mosley did to Margarito (and he took him on immediately.)

    He fought Cotto when Miguel was only about 29 or 30 years old, so does he qualify as someone square in his prime?

    I don't think anyone thought he'd take on Alvarez, especially after how Canelo beat Trout. Than he dominated him in a one sided manner and people started saying Canelo was too green for him at that juncture in his career.

    He took on Guerrero who hadn't lost in about 7 years, was square in his prime when they fought (after battering Berto in the manner he did.)

    I know, after he took on Hatton, it would've been nice if he stayed active and took on Williams or Martinez. But he took time off instead, and for whatever reason people think he avoided those men like the plague. I'm not saying he would've cruised by WIlliams, but let's not pretend like QuIntana didn't outbox him for 12 rounds when P-will was still very much in his prime.

    Guys in their mid 20's aren't usually ranked high enough, so you can't knock him for not taking on up and comers that are still climbing through the ranks. When you're a PPV guy, you have to factor in many variables including the popularity of your opponents. Guys in their mid 20's usually don't have an established fanbase so that definitely has to factor in.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I give Floyd props for defeating Hatton . IMO that is his third best victory.

    1. Castillo
    2. Corrales
    3. Hatton

    That's the order of Floyd's wins.

    Guys in their mid 20s are ready to shake things up. They're about to start their prime. But Floyd was like nah. I'm not going to be somebody's coming out party. So he ducked.
     
  5. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto, maidana, Hatton, Ortiz, Guerrero, Canelo to name a few were 32 or younger dumb ****. He won his 1st world title against Genaro Hernandez who was 32. You're an idiot doesn't anything about boxing history. You probably became a fan in 2013.
     
  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hernandez was on the tail end of his prime. Probably past it after the Oscar beating. 25-32 is a rough estimate. Some guys like Hernandez who are 32 and been in beatdowns and wars are usually past it at 32.

    And PBF was kind of a mini badass. Taking on good challengers. When he went to Money May he turned into Puzzy May.
     
  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I don't think he was afraid. I just don't think he cared about boxing after he was about twenty-five. His ambition switched from wanting to be the best to wanting to be the richest, which made him very cautious and risk averse.
     
  8. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your argument is busted move da **** on, nothing to see here!
     
  9. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I get what you're saying, but you know how it works when you're a big PPV draw and widely considered the best fighter P4P.

    They don't take on guys in their early to mid 20's because fighters of that age are almost always still working their way through the rankings and still trying to establish a fanbase for themselves.

    Look who Pacman has been taking on for the past decade as well, almost all the fighters were in their 30's already.

    It's very hard to find a popular fighter in their early/mid 20's whose done enough up to that point in their career to warrant them a fight with the biggest cashcow in the sport. So I really don't think it has anything to do with him avoiding guys like Porter/Thurman/whoever else. They just don't bring enough money or popularity to the table.

    It didn't matter who he fought after Pacman because everyone knew it was going to be a soft fight and that he'd retire into the sunset afterwards. I didn't like Berto as an opponent, but considering he just finished off the other great fighter of his generation in the fight before, I felt he deserved a pass at that point for his final match.

    Anyway, now that he's retired and Manny is about to follow suit, we should see a lot of these younger guys start making their way to the top now. I just hope the matchmakers will start making the best matches available (i.e. Thurman/Porter, Gonzalez/Inoue, Khan/Brook, Uchiyama/Walters, Quigg/Frampton, etc.)
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Agreed. How does he go to young and hungry fighters like Corrales and Castillo to old and blown up lightweights and featherweights?

    What a ****ing puzzy.

    Yo this guy is a grade A sissy. A prima donna. A serious stack the deck schemer.
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Barrera gave zero ****s about facing a young and hungry 24 year old Pacquiao. Why? Because Barrera is a ****ing boss! He didn't give one ****.

    All he did was be a badass and almost finish the fight because he was an ATG warrior. And refused to go quietly and fought to the very end like a true champion.
     
  12. Hope4Better

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    Old farts tend to like older farts too...so happy farts!
     
  13. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I loved watching MAB, he was an excellent fighter no doubt.

    He was never a P4P stalwart of FLoyd's ilk though and while he was a popular Mexican fighter, he never commanded the type of purses that Mayweather did (starting around the time of 2007 when he took on DLH.)

    Also, MAB was fortunate enough to be campaigning in divisions at the time when 3 other great fighters were campaigning in and around his weightclass- Morales, Marquez and Pacman. Floyd was never in a division that housed a 4 horseman lineup like that.

    And no disrespect but all 4 of those guys were lucky they didn't meet up with a SFW version of Mayweather. I have very little doubt that he'd beat all 4 men at 130 lbs.

    I'm sure you saw Mayweather fight when he was younger (when he wasn't a PPV draw,) he literally fought anybody that was willing to step in the ring with him. I remember when he was still at 135 lbs, he was calling out Winky Wright who was a JMW at the time. That's just insane to even think about. He was a very high risk and low reward fighter for a long period of his career.

    Anyway, like I stated earlier, when you're the top PPV draw, you have to fight guys that can help sell a bout. usually guys in their early to mid 20's can't do that for reasons I already mentioned. The only guy I can think of that has/had the drawing power that young was Canelo Alvarez, and he did take him on when no one thought he would.
     
  14. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    TS failed miserably.
     
  15. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The OP knows this but he is enjoying playing dumb. A quick look at the record books kills his argument in mere seconds. But of course he'll ignore facts in preference to his butt hurt emotions.