Why does no one ever talk about Juan Manuel Marquez is a one dimensional fighter?

These guys are just butt hurt Pac lovers.

Anyone who rates Barrera over JMM or Morales DKSAB.

 

Mayweather? A fighter that came into the ring with a significant size advantage, who is considered the best fighter of the last 20 years? Pacquiao was dominated by Mayweather, and Pacquiao has a significant speed advantage of JMM.

How many prime ATGs did Pacquiao beat?

 

For starters Barrera (coming off wins over Morales, Tapia, Hamed) and JMM (and don't EVEN think about saying "JMM was robbed" crap, a win is a win).

 

JMM beat Barrera too, but not only did he also beat Barrera, he also has a KTFO win over Manny Pacquiao himself.

 

......so where are you trying to go with this? You were just asking what prime ATGs did Pac beat and the examples I gave you were valid. Barrera was also shopworn from the Morales wars when JMM got to him and he barely edged Barrera had it not been for the point deduction. And yes he did get a great convincing KO victory over Pac, but he still lost x2 to Pac prior.

That doesn't make JMM a greater ATG than Pac.

 

Lost to Pac 3x.
First fight was a SD for Pac supposedly, had that one judge (Clements?) scored the 1st round correctly as 10-6.
Well documented and published too, still amazes me why the decision was never reversed if the judge openly admitted that he/she made a scoring error.

Aside, JMM 1, Bradley 1 and Horn. What a f*cking disrespect to a legend.

 

JMM was also a better LW champion than Pacquiao.

Lightweight JMM > Lightweight Pac
Welterweight JMM > Welterweight Pac

Pacquiao's career was carefully orchestrated. And Pacquiao refused random testing when it mattered the MOST.

 

It's not a requirement to score it 10-6. Not only that, but its beyond obvious the judges were influenced to give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt for every round they fought. JMM is arguably 4-0 against Pacquiao.

 

If you're really trying to tell me that JMM is a greater ATG than Pac then I really can't take you seriously. You're not gonna see any credible boxing writers or professionals rating JMM over Pac even with the KO win.
And really....carefully orchestrated? How so? If Pac's career has been carefully orchestrated than so has Ali, Leonard, Duran, Mayweather, and every other ATGs.

 

He's great but not that great

 

Manny Pacquiao is a living legend and all-time top 25 boxer.

Marquez could be 4-0 against Pac according to some......1-3 according to others. And that's the basis for his legend and mystique.

It's really quite interesting. His numerous losses are COMPLETELY ignored, glossed over, or simply not talked about or acknowledged.

The fact that the circumstantial evidence surrounding his steroid use far exceeds any other boxer that has technically never failed a drug test is also ignored completely. A muscle bound hulk with back and shoulder acne....absolutely punching holes through Mike Alvarado.

 

You clearly did not understand what "well documented" and "published" means.
If a judge goes in public admitting an error in his/her scoring, that doesn't mean anything but an error, not an "influence" issue.
And also, if you are anything but a decent, there's no way that you wouldn't score round 1 of that fight as 10-6.

Yes JMM is "arguably" 4-0 against Pacquiao, but that means squat since we are talking about actual factual records here.
And the record shows, and again is published and documented, that a judge made a scoring error.
If it was the other way around, I'm sure you'd sing a different tune.

 

People like to say that JMM "arguably" beat Pac 4-0. Sure, just like it's arguable that Ken Norton is 3-0 against Ali, GGG is 2-0 against Canelo, Sumbu Kalambay is 2-0 against Mike McCallum, and James Toney is 2-0 against Montell Griffin. But guess what, those guys (Pac, Ali, Canelo, McCallum, Griffin) got the win in close fights and should be counted as such.