Why does Oscar get grief for fighting Forbes yet...

Wow, we actually drew the attention of Jeff Presscot's lacky into the conversation...beware, he will overwhelm us with his clever insight and classic use of Oscar nicknames! :rofl

See, now this thread has become a joke with posts like the one above. :-( And just when it was starting to get heated and enjoyable.

 

You make valid points as well...I just don't think we agree 100% on some issues and perhaps that has to do with the way we both may have presented our cases in writing...so much easier to have these kind of debates face to face. Good debate though...l look forward to more! :thumbsup

 

Kaygb ..
Uli-Uli, let me try to simplify this for you so someone with your er ... er .. handicap can understand.
Tito ruined Vargas. He was brutalized, knocked down 5 times, was sent to the hospital immediately with sirens blaring, and was kept in intensive care several hours and was not released until several tests were taken the following day. Then after several months he fought weak hitting Rivera was knocked down twice and sent to the hospital after the fight. After that he fought his former sparring partner Shibata Flores, and was wobbled all over the ring for several rounds before he caught flores and stopped him. So in the 3 fights before Vargas fought Oscar, now get this, he was knocked down 7 times, knocked down twice by weak hitting Rivera, wobbled repeatedly by Flores and was sent to the hospital twice overnight for observation. Are you beginning to see why Oscar then decided to fight him. Oscar didn't do anything to ruin Vargas. It was Trinidad. Are you beginning to get it? Just another game by Oscar choosing the right guy at the right time to fight him.
For years the Golden Fishnet said "I will never fight Vargas! That will be his punishment. He will never get that big payday!" Then Oscar saw the tito, Rivera and flores fights, clled a press conference and bravely stood up and said in that whiny ***gy high-pitched voice of his "I will fight Vargas"
I wonder what changed his mind. So you see Uli my man, Oscar did nothing to ruin Vargas. He was not the one. Try to get help.

Shadowbox ..
Wow, we actually drew the attention of Jeff Presscot's lacky into the conversation...beware, he will overwhelm us with his clever insight and classic use of Oscar nicknames!

See, now this thread has become a joke with posts like the one above. And just when it was starting to get heated and enjoyable.

Kaygb ..
Wow another with the Uli mentality. Tell me what don't you agree with on my post above. Vargas' state of mind and his health at the time he fought Oscar or the reason Oscar all of a sudden decided to fight Vargas? You can't can you.

 

Oscar groupies do not like to deal in fact.

Did Oscar proclaim he would not fight Vargas before the Trinidad fight? Yes.

Did Vargas look terrible and get dropped by a light hitter in Rivera in his 2 post-Trinidad fights, after in his 3 pre-Tito fights, he won a close decision over the great Winky Wright, was the first guy to clearly beat Quartey, and dominated contender Ross Thompson? Yes.

Did DLH change his mind after Vargas/Rivera and Vargas/Flores? Yes.

Did the Golden Fishnet say "I added to the damage that Trinidad did to Vargas?" Yes.

Their response?

"You just hate DLH and don't know anything!"

:rofl

 

Good !

 

He is fighting Mayweather, #1 ****en pound for pound of all boxing, and with practically no chance of success. That takes a lot more balls than Tito picking Mayorga who is a classic brawler only used by boxers to make themselves look good in the ring. Fighting someone that could knock you out is not ballsy when you know you could dance circles around them and make them look like a fool. It's ballsy when a guy that has no chance takes it, and knows that he might very well loose yet again to the same guy who mastered him before.

 

1) Delahoya bought himself into ANOTHER big fight, hes a ****ing choker, got koed by bhop, lost to trinidad, lost to mayweather, and lost to mosly twice, hes all hype. Hes washed up and all he brings to the table is a bunch of fans on his nuts and guaranteed ppv buys, hes no where close the p4p list, and hes gonna lose to floyd again.

 

No, that was a good fight and its pissing me off that people are saying Vargas was shot from Trinidad fight. That **** gives no credit to how good Vargas was or how good De La Hoya was. It was a very competitive fight that changed on a dime with a beautiful left hook. Vargas wasn't a shot fighter or a bum fighter but a boxer with great potential thrown into the ring with boxing giants before he was ready for it. The DLH fight, imo, more than the Tito fight, did more to ruin Vargas down the stretch. I think the man's pride was so intense he would be able to loose to Tito but not the man he hated so much and wanted so badly to beat. Mayorga, definately was not shot. The guy is still a beast.

 

The reason for this is because Trinidad flys below the radar. Oscar is the radar. Look at their resumes. Oscar's opponents are better. Every young champ for the past ten years wants to go up in weight to fight him. Mosley moved up in weight because he was a natural welterweight cutting weight to dominate 135. No shame in that, a lot of people do that. He skipped 140 cuz he wasn't a 140 fighter. He went straight into ww cuz that was his natural weight as was Oscar's. This going up or down in weight argument only has validity when you speak of a naturaly smaller fighter, like Hatton. But boxers that move between weight do it because they can. Is Hopkins a bum for making his name off of ko'ing Oscar and Tito at 160. That is two weight classes above Oscar/Tito's natural weight class.

 

We all know Oscar can get any fight he wants due to the money. that's not the point.

The original thread starter asked why Tito doesn't get as much flack for fighting a smaller opponent as DLH does. the reason is because dlh has a history of it and tito does not. drawing power or not.

 

who says vargas was shot after trinidad?

people say he wasn't the same fighter from the brutal beating he took, not that he was a bum or no good after trinidad.

 

Exactly!! He's done that his whole career. Arum was a master, a genius, orchestrating his earlier career. Hernandez moved up to fight Oscar and went right back down to his natural weight after the fight and never fought in
that class again. He fought litle 5'4" Paez with a 63" reach
Gonsalez, Gatti, Campas. the list goes on and on, incredible. And now Forbes, all 5' 6" 140 lbr. Reason for flack on Oscar ... he makes a habit of it. Trinidad ... nope!

 

Wouldn't challenging Paul Williams been a much better choice? At least that would have been PPV material & still a very winnable fight for De La Hoya. Plus having another belt would make the Mayweather fight a unification match. Williams is riding high off of a big upset & yet still green enough for De La Hoya to handle. But a Forbes fight is ESPN material. Worse yet. Telemundo!