Why does size matter?

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    So I guess in your mind its just a pure coincidence that a disproportionate number of the heavyweights known for having the best chins were big men? :shakehead:
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    So if we conducted a crazy experiment where we took one randomized group of 190-lbers and another group of 250-lbers, threw them in the ring with heavyweights, and had them take the exact same punches to the jaw, you would expect both groups to fare equally well?

    And if the 60 pound gap between 190 and 250lbs is irrelevant, I assume you would feel the same way about the much lesser gap between 168 and 190?
     
  3. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    You may have achieved new levels of stupidity.
     
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  4. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    You are engaging a moron. He is going to next accuse of you of changing what he is saying. His premise at the core is that Abe Simon was pretty big.
     
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  5. Absolutely!

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    Why stop at 190? If nothing about weight increases chin strength, then theoretically a featherweight could take the same shot as a superheavyweight.

    Which is bollocks, as even you can see.
     
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  6. Absolutely!

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    Wlad is an ATG and Fury just beat him, so he's clearly not that shabby either. Wilder I can take or leave, though he clearly possesses a number of dangerous tools. Joshua is a bit of an unknown but anyone who gets in the ring with him has to contend with his phenomenal physical assets, so in that respect he's a legitimate superheavy.

    Baer, Simon and the rest were all stiffs. Awful on film and clearly just malcoordinated oafs. It's no challenge at all to beat them.
     
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  7. Absolutely!

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    I don't think anyone has said the above in this entire thread. Has that been the argument going on in your head all this time?

    Do you not see how this point actually weakens your overall argument? If size didn't have at least some correlation to punch resistance then why weren't these men cold KOed by their smaller opponents? Why did they instead suffer prolonged beatings with ref involvement in many cases halting the contests?

    Being outclassed is a matter of skill, and clearly Simon, Willard and co possessed very little of it.
     
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  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What's peoples opinions of bringing in a Super Heavyweight division?
     
  9. HerolGee

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    if a small man hits a big man in the right place, he can ko him. Punch resistance in the sense of taking the punch flatout would be the same.

    However in an actual fight, a hundred other factors come into play, being taller, wrestling, range.Its not the actual increase in weight which yields the punch resistance.

    If Amir Khan eats 100 pies and reaches 300lbs, his chin remains the same. He'd make one hell of a sumo wrestler though.
     
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  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Has there been any scientific study on what makes some take punches better than others?
     
  11. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Willard required the help of his corner men to get him back. Had the round not been stopped 10 seconds early then Willard would not have gotten up. Btw how often are men knocked out COLD? It's rare. Just because a guy is big doesn't mean he can't take a punch.
     
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  12. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Wlad would get knocked out by many a man in history. I'll give him credit for being a VERY dominant champ of a weak era but no way is he an ATG based on skill. He clinches a hundred times a fight, has crap stamina, and rarely throws punches. Not the definition of an ATG.
     
  13. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Chris Arreola himself said that a welterweight could knock him out with 1 punch. He mean't that as, a welterweight could knock out a superheavy and all it takes is one punch and not much power.
     
  14. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You're "bout it bout it" yet are trolling an internet forum getting on threads that have nothing to do with you and are making idiotic statements. I think you sir are the one who has reached a new level of stupidity.
     
  15. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    All of them would get knocked out cold yes.