Why does size matter?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mr.DagoWop, Aug 25, 2016.


  1. mostobviousalt

    mostobviousalt Active Member banned Full Member

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    Byrd was a blown up middleweight.

    Jimmy Ellis wasn't
     
  2. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Marciano never defended against anyone below 185 so you are dead wrong there. The men at the top of the heavyweight division are the guys who would have been at the bottom 20 years ago. The quality has gone down therefore these lower quality fighters have taken over. If Wlad fought fighters on the level of Marciano's opponents in terms of skill then he would get all the credit in the world.

    It's already been shown that size has little relevance when it comes to a knockout. Tyson said it himself. The reason cruisers don't go up to heavyweight is simple. A fighter has to fight a different fight against a big man. Most cruisers are skilled at fighting the normal size fighters for the division. It would be a challenge to have to learn to fight and get to the inside against bigger men.
     
  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Lets look at it this way.
    Marciano's nose was split in two by Charles in round 6. The fight should have been ended in the 7th. He got one round to go out and win or it was all over. Rocky went at Charles like a spitfire and got the stoppage. A true moment of greatness. One of the finest examples ever.

    Compare that feat to Wlad throwing in the towel against Willaimson over a tiny little scratch on his forehead. A wound not even 5% of what Rocky had on his face while he battled to retain his championship.

    Where's Wlad's moment of greatness? Marciano earned fight of the year 3 times in a row by Ring. They awarded him fighter of the year 3 times.
    Wlad against bums could never even producing an entertaining fight.
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This one has me rolling.

    There is incredible monetary incentive for a cruiserweight to go to heavy. What was the greatest yearly earnings of a cruiser? I recall Wlad pulling down $35 million.

    And then you mention the challenge of a smaller fighter getting inside on a larger fighter. No sh*t. Also, its harder to maneuver a stronger, bigger fighter. Also, the slaps and probing punches and rangefinders hurt a lot more from a larger fighter. The dirty stuff and carrying a heavier fighter who is leaning on you is a lot harder. Being the smaller, weaker guy you are walking a tightrope every time out to not get worn down, to keep your balance, no get manhaldled, and yes, not get blasted by a guy who has more physical strength than you , and thus, is likely, not certain but likely to punch harder.
     
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  5. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    If it is "No sh*t" then why have you not been able to see it yet? What is it like to only be able to analyze a fighter based upon size? I never see you talk about things like skill. Always "A is bigger than B so A wins" or something along those lines.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    As tho the big man and substantially smaller man should be exhibiting the same skillset, mimicking the smaller fighter.

    When you are big, you fight big, fight to the advantages of your weight, length and strength. It tilts the field and puts the onus on the smaller fighter to take risks. Fighting big requires a different skillset and often a different patience.
     
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  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    It's not that you're wrong. It's that you're an a sshole.
     
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  8. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    Dago a good little fighter isn't good enough to beat a good big fighter and a good old fighter isn't good enough to beat a good young fighter- is the philosophy of boxing.
     
  9. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Well said
     
  10. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Pretty certain all the posters arguing that size doesn't matter, are themselves, not exactly musclebound / very tall.
    Small man mentality at it's finest and completely pointless attempting to debate with that mindset.
     
  11. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    its a safe bet many of the ones arguing for size are recumbent fatsos living in their moms basements. the fat they accumulated has to count for something for them, or their years of munching is lost.
     
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  12. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Whatever you say stumpy........
     
  13. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    whenver you are brave enough to quote me and reply instead of running away.

    till then, run fatboy run.

    roll, i mean.
     
  14. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    There you go shortcake, don't throw all yer toys out yer pram.
    I'll leave it at that as, as i said earlier, pointless arguing with the small man.
     
  15. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    its a good thing that its in your opinion pointless to argue back, becasue -

    1. its based on me being small
    2. you've not offered an argument back. I can see why you think arguing back isnt an option if you cant manage an argument back.