Why does size matter?

he was showing obsessive and psychotic behavior towards your video??

jesus, what was on that video??

you better not ever post it again, you could get killed over it.

 

Yes look at Jones Ruiz, Jones bulked up for that fight. He added muscle mass to he extent that future attempts to lose I again would pretty much ruin his career.

 

demps and rock aren't MWs.

 

Toney would have never been a 160 pound fighter if it weren't for 24 hour weigh ins.

Always been an enormous drainer like McClellan

 

Nor would they be heavyweights today. they'd be CW at the weight they fought at.

 

the weight limit hasn't changed. They easily qualify as HWs anytime they wanted it.

the people who watch boxing have changed though, you being one.

 

Yes, it has changed.

They fought weighing 180-190 pounds. That used to be HW, now it's CW.

I haven't changed because I only started watching boxing in about 94 and then it was only as a young lad watching domestic fights or HW championship fights.

 

Only Dempsey would have a realistic chance of being a heavyweight if he were around today, Marciano? Forget it.....

 

They make 200lbs without trouble.

The only difference is that ertra weight is going to slow them a little like the giants of today are slower and less capable fitness wise.

And yes you arent going to change for sure, but the audience make-up has changed.

 

I think they would both be HW fighters today. But clearly not at 190 pounds.

Mayweather is always said to have been at his best as a SFW, but was the WW version that much worse? Not imo. The Mayweather who beat Corrales would not have beaten Cotto nor Canelo.

 

245 lbs Anthony Joshua vs 132 lbs Mo Farah who has multiple olympic medals at 5k and 10k runs.

Mo Farah can decide to run away and if Joshua can't catch him Mo Farah will win the fight by default.
They're 4 meters away from each other when the fight starts.

Who wins?

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Joshua catches him, and destroys him btw.

 

If the great fighters of the past had only known how much credit they would have got today, just for being a few pounds heavier, they wouldn't have gone to such inordinate lengths to cut weight!

It almost seems that some people here would have given them more credit, if they had turned up to their fights overweight, and picked up a few more losses!

 

A lot of heavyweights today would be better if they cut weight, they're just too lazy to do it.....

 

I wouldn't so much say that's the case.

Think of it abstractly for a second. Robinson wasn't a heavyweight and he gets more credit than anyone.

If you look at those who you consider detractors of Rocky or Dempsey and ask them how they fare against all those below 200 pounds, you'd likely see them being cast in the exact light you like to see them cast in.

So what if Rocky isn't favoured to beat Lewis, a great fighter who outweighs him by 50 pounds? How many greats are favoured in a fight against fellow greats that much heavier than they?

The fact they are even in conversation is proof of their greatness.

I was hasty a couple of weeks ago saying those in Rocky's era wouldn't make a dent in the HW scene today. After the Ortiz v Scott debacle I can see the error in my opinion and hold my hands up.

Would any of them beat Joshua? I'm not gonna commit till I see Joshua at the top level, after all the 3 most proven men in the division right now are Wlad, Povetkin and Ortiz (I do see Fury as retired for now). Wlad would beat all of those from Rocky's era, I firmly believe that. His style is too difficult for them. Povetkin went life and death with Huck. Ortiz just stank out the joint against a defensive specialist. Joshua and Wilder are unproven.

So could any of Rocky's era also go life and death with Povetkin? Could they also outbox Ortiz with movement and more volume? Could they prove too much for the unproven Wilder and Josua? Absolutely.

Not saying I'd favour them but it isn't beyond the realms of possibility or even probability.

People aren't asking Rocky or Dempsey to be out of shape. They're saying they'd have a tough job giving away so much weight. If they can narrow the difference, why wouldn't they?

 

An excellent and well-constructed response.

My point is that we have a generation of boxing fans, who are becoming obsessed with physical dimensions to the exclusion of all else.

Big fighters can be favoured over all-time greats, even if their records are a sea of mediocrity.

Belt holders who come into title fights with fat hanging over the tops of their trunks, are described as 240lb (or whatever) monsters, as if they had somehow got to this weight on a Rocky Marciano regime!

Size is important, but it is not the only thing that is important!