Why does size matter?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mr.DagoWop, Aug 25, 2016.


  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Not really true. A heavyweight is a cruiserweight now because "on the night" cruiserweights are well over 200. It really proves the cruiserweight name is not fit for purpose.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    yes you did this is the one isn't it=
    my answer was "yes, very good wins but I was not talking about resume, I was talking about length of time in the division" then I went on to dismantle these wins as NOT all strictly LHW fights since Yarosz and Christofordis, like Charles, were BELOW the LHW limit for those fights and that Bivins (a career HW after 1941) and Maxim were over the limit. Marshall, Smith and Moore however were within the LHW limit.

    So in truth kid, I did answer you.

     
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  3. lufcrazy

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    Incorrect. Every fight was within the LHW limit bar Bivins who was 3 pounds over.

    Research it yourself.
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    Nah. Cruisers have to weigh in at 200 pounds. Rocky, at his weight, would have been a cruiser. As would Patterson, Walcott and Dempsey.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I am going mad here. Maxim was over most of the times. Lesnevich was over. bivins was over. christafordis was under. Yarosz was under.

    The others (Moore, Smith and Marshall) were within.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    So why is it called cruiserweight?

    You just said a natural Heavyweight is over 200lb! They are all over this on the night!

    The word cruiserweight is not fit for purpose. you have proved it. you should start calling cruisers HW and call for a SHW division.
     
  7. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So Christoforidis at 164½ and Yarosz at 168½ were not within the LHW limit?
     
  8. mostobviousalt

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    Joshua is faster than Mo Farah anyway
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It's not 175.

    If marciano, Dempsey, Patterson, Walcott and Louis must be referred to as "cruiserweights" then by the same token old time fighters between 160-168 must be Super Middleweight.

    We can't have it both ways.
     
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  10. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you believe, we should no longer call these fighters heavyweights?
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    No, I believe the Cruiserweight word is defunct. It should be called heavyweight. SHW is here to stay so in line with the Amateurs call heavyweight SHW and cruiser "heavyweight"
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    168.5 isn't within SMW if you wanna be pedantic.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    You are going mad. research again.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Yarosz was 168.5lbs there was no super middle division, therefore he was a lhvy when he fought the 163.5lbs Charles. A boxer who weighs 175lbs or under that but near it, who beats men who weigh more than175lbs is still a lhvy.

    To win your argument you have to take the credit away from Charles for conceding lumps of weight to world class men who out weighed him ,conceding weight and beating them! That isn't just circular logic its downright ridiculous!
    No boxer whilst scaling under 175lbs has anywhere near the quality of scalps against lhvy's,small heavies , Charles has on his belt,that isn't even up for discussion!
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    Nope it is fit for purpose as it limits those who cannot safely make a weight of 200 pounds.

    You think all of those who cannot safely make 200 pounds must be SHW fighters?