SHOCKED THIS IS STILL BEING DEBATED , This isn't something that can be denied, SIZE MATTERS no matter how much people try denying it. just makes one look silly denying it and pathetic trying to debate it from the wrong end. Of course size malters, this is where boxing master can use his famous Fact and it actually finally be used in conjunction with a fact
It's not like football where you have very nuanced and peculiar rules and play styles. Boxing is a very ubiquitous activity. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/0f/9b/18/0f9b187a9a643557c2eb78112130b2cb.jpg
Then give a evidence to back up your claim or **** off. It isn't hard. There has been 71 pages now and nobody has given evidence as to why size matters. I have provided tons of evidence but you hypocrites haven't provided **** other then ******ed match ups between flyweights and heavyweights when the OP specifically says HEAVYWEIGHTS VS HEAVYWEIGHTS.
Tyson at 32 was struggling to beat Frans Botha. He would have got absolutely beaten up by Gene Tunney that Dempsey fought.
I think this has a lot to do with talent getting worse over time. But you had David Haye being the most interesting challenger to Wlad. And David Haye beat Valuev who is like, what, the equivalent of 10 weight classes above him? Haye also clobbered Harrison who had about 40lb on him. Also, Haye rocked Wilder in sparring. Haye, a CW, has been pretty dynamic on the HW scene. I also have a feeling that Gassiev will move up and cause some serious damage to bigger guys. This guy is 6'3, 200lb no fat, and can punch like a mule.
With all do respect i know what you consider skills and or power because you already showed me you on a HB so you trying to validate Dempsey as technically better isnt shocking . I think you are very tunnel visioned. Dempsey was the first boxer to refine skills from the era before him with good combos and feints but to use any vid of him to put him over Tyson is a joke.
With no respect at all, the feedback I get from my world class trainer is much more informative and accurate than your mentally challenged opinion. You know a guy named Ray Arcel? He was just a humble trainer who was behind Duran and Holmes. He said Dempsey was the best fighter ever.
From 1990 on, the lineal champion or #1 guy has almost always been a super heavyweight type. The anomaly was Holyfield who on fair score cards is 1-4 vs Lewis and Bowe Even today the champions are huge and really not that good, yet we see no cruiserweights, a division with some talent trying to move up. Talent worse? Roy Jones was an amazing light heavy. Kovalev a very good one, both entered the ring in the 180's, about the same weight as Dempsey or Marciano. Did they try to fight anyone now named Ruiz at heavyweight? Valuev was slow, and not very skilled. So Haye beat him, only risking anything in the 12th round. Valuev was a super heavyweight yes, but not a skilled one. Harrison was a glass jawed guy The guy I want to see move up is Usyk. 6'3" 200 pound southpaw, with speed, a chin and skills. And a 78" reach. He's big enough to move to 215-220.
All respect to Arcel, but he died in the early 1990's I think and never saw skilled super heavies like Lewis, Bowe or Klitschko at best with his once very sharp mind. I think Arcel was injured later in life when a thug hit him on the head with metal object and the injry cost him some cogniative skills
Why would Louis be a great example when i already showed who he fought and on a thread about size?when he was big for his era at 6'2 200 and the average guy was around 5'11 190 pounders. It doesnt make sense. Marciano didnt fight more than 10 guys over 200 pounds certainly no handful of SHW's ,yes he k.od heavier guys but they certainly wouldn't carry HW power now at those 190 /200 pound marks.
Good points. But there always seems to be an excuse. Like, what makes Valuev not skilled? He knew how to box. There are too many examples of a smaller HW beating an equally ranked HW to call each example an outlier.
Well, all those things I listed. Being the most exciting challenger to the reigning HW champ of the last decade. Defeating a giant 100lb bigger than him. Banging up future next gen prospects in sparring. Scoring KO's against heavier guys.
This is hardly legible. But Joe Louis defeated SHW giants easier than many of his smaller opponents. Which you said doesn't happen, right here: