It's different, and not to your taste. That's all there is to say, really. It's not more than that. The SHW period is in its absolute infancy. It is literally 25 years old. That you are ready to write it off as "the dark ages of boxing" because you don't like it speaks volumes. And it's included such wonderful fights as Lewis-Grant, Klitscho-Pulev, Bruno-Lewis, Holyfield-Bowe etc etc, fights loved by millions who have no interest at all in watching stinkers from other periods in boxing history that produced consistently poor title fights.
Of the two true light heavies that Ray fought, he knocked one out cold and the other he was winning a UD against. How many middleweights did Nardico even fight?
What about Loughran getting knocked out by a 150lb fighter, but then beating Impelletiere and going the distance with Primo? They had like 100lb on him.
It's very different all right. it speaks volumes that having a passionate interest in its history it is possible for me to distinguish dramatic changes that have made the division a new SHW division, a less interesting class of boxer than all other weight classes. I would hope it speaks volumes for more than just me. obviously there will never be a division producing only consistent stinkers, but the closest to it must be the SHW set. Holyfeild was not a SHW. of the fights mentioned I think "loved by millions" might be going a bit far. "intresting" is probably fairer. I think Lewis v Grant was the best one. I enjoyed the build up for that one and its spectacle. But in the great scheme of things once it was over, where would you rate that in terms of memorable fights that made an impression on HW history? what ratio does a intresting fight like that represent compared to the rest of the (admittedly short) history of the SHW? In all honestly the fighters are good! I'm not knocking them as individuals, I'm just sorry they can't be as good as they could be. I am sorry for the cruiserweight and the 200-220 guys that have to bulk up and meet giants.
Heavier fighters tend to be harder to knockout. Just like Arthur Abraham experienced. Bigger fighters also tend to hit harder. Nicardio's power against 175 pounders is much more proven than Ray's. In fact Ricardo knocked down Joey Maxim.
If Lamotta had bulked up to 200 lbs fought Sonny Liston and got knocked out in 1. Would Mr.DagoWop use that as evidence that size doesn't matter? WOW, he took so many punches from Ray but at HW he got one punched. Must have become a glass jaw from all that weight.
Generally, it really doesn't. And I'm not sure why so many people are convinced it does. It's a nice idea but rarely does it relate to reality.
That is no more or less valid than the people who come on here and say they can't be bothered watching "dwarfs" in "black and white". It's exactly the same. It's about your personal preference, nothing more. It will find some sympathy on this particular forum, sure, but that's neither here nor there. You disparage modern fighters and prefer smaller heavies; lots of people living and watching boxing now would much rather watch giants. You are the same - there is nothing about your position that is any different apart from the fact that it is diametric. There have been brilliant fights in this division; i listed some of them. Then again, if you go back to the Charles era, some people were despairing of him as a champion and of the championship fights he produced (Valentino etc.). Now i enjoy Charles at heavy, but it's a fact that that period was seen as a "dark age" by many people living through it. No more, or less valid, than your opinion now. You're moving the goalposts again. You were talking about "the SHW era". Now you're talking about individual fighters within it because it is of benefit to your argument. Holyfield is absolutely a part of the SHW era, which is my point. We get it: you personally don't like watching guys like Lewis, Vitali, etc. Nothing wrong with that personal taste. But stop trying to make it into some eternal truth. It's not going too far at all. The Klitsckos were watched by millions and millions in Germany, every time they fought as champions. Lewis became a national here. Bruno was a national hero. Now, Anthony Joshua is poised to become one; even Pulev, fighting a washed up shadow of a heavyweight in Bulgaria this weekend, is a national hero. Like I said, loved by millions. Irrefutably. The same as, say, Louis-Buddy Baer. But I fail to see the relevance. I have no idea what you are talking about. The idea that Lennox Lewis of Vitali Klitschko would be better if they were skinnier is ludicrous.
You are doing the exact same thing other guys have been doing this entire thread. Making claims with no evidence. Bigger fighters hit harder? Prove it. Nardico never beat anyone of note that was even prime. 38 year old Ray knocked a 175lb new england champ out cold. It doesn't get more proven than that. Who tf is Ricardo? Nobody named Ricardo ever even fought Maxim.
Exactly, I doubt man has really got any naturally bigger at all over the last 100 years. Just like the myth that we are living longer.
Exactly, I doubt man has really got any naturally bigger at all over the last 100 years. Just like the myth that we are living longer.