Why does size matter?

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  1. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It depends on the fighters. Are we talking 122 vs 130 straight up or with unofficial rehydrations? It also depends on the fighters. Atg vs a prospect. Morales would chew up Garcia but if it was two equally good fighters like we saw with Loma vs Rigo then the answer is clear.
     
  2. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very physically burn you Full Member

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    Ike was naturally a thickset guy, so I think it's a little unrealistic to expect him to have been able to boil down healthily to the 200lbs mark. Maybe I'm wrong, though. It's just a hunch based on his bone structure and general breadth of shoulder and depth of chest. Then again Shavers was the same height, and was able to fight effectively at a fleshy 210, so it wouldn't be out of the realms of possibility.
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Gone Till November Full Member

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    Your answer to the question depends on those things? Question was:

    Btw, the 122-lb version of Morales might beat a green Ryan Garcia but nobody would question whether size would “matter.” It obviously would.
     
  4. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Gone Till November Full Member

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    Please read better.
     
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    tell me what you think I missed?
     
  6. McGrain

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    Sure, but it doesn't seem to foster the same confusion.

    Because Marciano hits hard enough with his hardest punch to KO anyone that Lewis can KO with one punch, people think that "Rocky hits as hard". a) i don't think he does, just he hits so destructively it doesn't matter and b) just because he's hugest punches do terrible things to people doesn't mean he jabs as hard, clips as hard, mis-hits as hard etc.

    So yeah, a bit of what you are saying in this post for me. It really takes it out of you, consistently fighting much bigger guys too, must be so so hard.
     
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  7. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It's hard to say because we don't have any real records in the last 80 years or more of 122 lbrs fighting 130 lbrs.
     
  8. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Foreman was not a natural 217 pounder at all, the guy weighed 227-230 at 18-19 in the amateurs. Of course a couple of pounds less would help him in longer pro fights ,george had a huge frame it is why he could carry 250 pounds pretty well in his 40s with a good stamina. Bowe at 21 in the amateurs weighed 216 and lewis 220 at age of 23.
    guys that were bigger than their weights suggested for example jack dempsey and joe louis had a big frame, i am.pretty sure that dempsey could carry 220 pounds easily, Michael spinks was naturally bigger than a 175 pounder, michael moorer was a natural cruiser not a lhw, the bones are the key, for example david haye and holyfield were naturally "small".. If you compare a 218 pounder version evander with a 218 version of foreman you can see clearly in the frame who is the bigger man... One of them had the musculature of a bodybuilder to make 218 and the other one (foreman)did not touch a weight but his bones were big and heavy. The same thing with haye... Compare his legs with Ali's .Ali was a natural big man a natural heavyweight and the other one was a manufactured hw. Tommy morrison for example in his early career weighed around 211-214. His 227 pounds were the result of (weights) and probably roids, he was smaller than foreman. The 90s was a era where the boxers did increment their weights training in a gym but they were not any bigger than the hws from the 70s or 80s.
    Tyson made the 201 limit in the amateurs in the late 1984 without problems then he in 1985 added extra pounds of mass as pro fighter in order to face taller heavier guys. Tyson was not bigger than joe frazier at all, simply he adapted himself to his era