Why does Tyson get credit for getting knocked out? ATG chin???n

Tyson's myth in action I guess

 

He made such an impression at the start that it simply supersedes the rest of his not so illustrious career. Same applies to Roy Jones and Joe Louis.

 

Get out of here. Tyson had a tremendous chin. Its pretty much clear to see. You ll find the reason for the stoppages we,re about his style more so than anything to do with his chin. Aggresive come forward fighters tend to get stopped more when they stop being as effective. Heavyweights punch very very hard. One punch can do the damage. The problem was his stamina usually went cause he didnt train hard enough as he got older to carry off the style he had. Plus he was aging had been inactive wasnt training hard enough. The opponents would then be able to get off on him. But it took a shellacking to finish him. His chin was solid. Other parts of his game werent up to the job after he left jacobs.

 

I m not sure if your trolling or you hate tyson or whatever. But anyway that amazing bobbing and weaving defence your talking about was long gone by the time tyson started getting knocked out.

You we,re talking about his chin not being very good. I said by the time he was getting knocked out his stamina wasnt good enough for the style he had at that point. He,d tire then his chin would start getting checked. You ve replied with its his own point his stamina wasnt very good. Its pretty irrelevant to the point that his chins not very good.

Anyway if you cant see he had a very good chin...theres not really much i can say to change your mind. I find it pretty incredible that anyone can watch tysons career and say his chin was anything but great. He just shipped too many punches. He started neglecting his defence when he got tired. He gave up in williams. The big irish guy as well. The stamina wasnt there as well as pretty much everything that he once had. Douglas he was basically defenceless all nite. Holyfield just an accumulation. Lewis was the same. I dont think his chin ever let him down. It was everything else first particularly his stamina. Eventually cause hes a human being the accumulation ended it. I pretty much think he had his senses at every one of them but buster. Other things just gave way first.

 

You just answered it. Because it took massive amounts of punishment from solid punchers, at the least, to stop him. That and the fact that they were due to stamina. And the fact that he was never visibly hurt early. Like vs Bruno, he got decked with a left hook and wobbled, but kept trucking as if it never happened. And, he was never known for getting floored by single shots, at least if that shot wasn't preceeded by many rounds of punishment. I read somewhere that Lennox Lewis described punching Tyson like "punching an oak tree".

All this while Tyson was giving up weight. Razor Ruddock was a 240ish lb power puncher who could easily be said to have had some of the deadliest power in the heavyweight division and had about 20- 25 lbs on Tyson. When Tyson was in shape and not hampered by stamina, he ate those shots well.

For a point of reference, Foreman was 25 years old and closer to Tysons weight in the 70s. He lasted 8 rounds vs Ali and was a focused, clean living champion in his prime. He frequently gets excused due to stamina. And I'm not disputing that one way or another.

But Tyson was 36 years old vs Lewis, a much harder puncher than Ali ever was. Tyson lasted 8 rounds taking clean punches and he was far from clean living. At the very least he was an alcoholic. And was a decade and a half past his best years and was the "small" man in the ring in regards to height and weight. He wasn't making Lewis miss by bobbing and weaving. He had the mobility and defense of the Joe Louis statue in the convention center in downtown Detroit. So he was getting hit as much as Foreman was against Ali. Yet if someone brings up his stamina, it's an excuse. Whereas with Foreman vs Ali, Lyle or Young or Liston vs the fighter whose name I forget at this moment but it was in 1969 and I do know that he was under 200 lbs and not exactly Dempsey in the power department. Yes, I know Liston was washed up and gassed out, but the fact is, it's unlikely that he would have stopped a 2002 Tyson that lost to Lewis. But, Liston chin doesn't get indicted for that as it shouldn't.

Old man Joe Louis lasted 8 rounds vs prime Marciano who also hit much harder than Ali. And Louis ran out of gas. And his chin routinely gets made fun of.

Anyone will go if they get hit enough times.

 

He had a good chin no doubt but it was a league below the likes of Ali, Holyfield, McCall, Mercer, Vitali etc.......

 

chins are hard to judge. It has to do with concentration and other things. I never saw Mercer take Rudducks punch. Or Evander. Mike took it.

 

It's also to do with actual events that took place in reality, both showed they had a better chin than Tyson.

 

Actual events that took place in reality ain't 100% proof either. It can also be misleading and misrepresented by people depending on their own agenda and personal bias.

 

Well if actual events aren't proof then a posters opinion must be then....... hahahaha.

 

Ok, if actual everts is 100% proof. 185Ib Cooper floors Ali heavily with one punch. Liston, Foreman and Shavers unable to floor Ali. All actual events so must be proof that Cooper hits harder than Liston, Foreman and Shavers?

Toney floors and beats up Holyfield. Ruiz staggers and hurts Holyfield. Holyfield stands up to Tyson and Lewis without been really hurt once. All actual events so must be Proof that Toney and Ruiz hit harder than Tyson and Lewis?

Or maybe actual events are not 100% and can still be misleading and influenced by other factors?

 

Tyson has an atg chin, he proved it in numerous fights, especially in the ruddock fights where he ate some devastating punches like nothing

No one is knocking him out with one punch, it takes many combos to put iron mike down

 

Actual events are what count in reality sunshine, Cooper hurt Ali more than anyone barring maybe Frazier in the 11th round. Ruiz hurt Holyfield more than Tyson could wish to do so, these are facts are they not?