Well I understand the why. I supported him getting the Joshua 1 shot based off the rules of him being mandatory. So at the time, I didn't think much of issues with his run to Joshua and refusing Joyce. I started to notice the hypocrisy though around Dubois 1 time and it has just been building and building. I think a lot of us sided against Fury because... well, it was Fury, and so we weren't taking stock of how Usyk was actually moving. For me this Verhoeven fight is disappointing but sadly it fits right in with the pattern of things. He has been holding up the belts since his decision to delay Dubois 1. It was a minor inconvenience in the grand scheme of things, but he had just engaged in a rematch with Joshua (he was mando, so rematch clause was added) before that so the back log had already been building. I don't think we can ignore that it was Team Usyk who put in the Fury rematch too, again delaying mandatories that were years overdue. Usyk got his shot as a mandatory, and has done his utmost to avoid his own. Some suggest Wardley and Kabayel should also fight. But again this is a sad pattern of things. Dubois (IBF) v Parker (WBO mandatory and next up to fight Usyk). Dubois pulls out injured. Who does Usyk target? His WBO mandatory, who by rights was next? Nope he chooses the injured Dubois. He then refuses to enter negotiations with Parker. Okay fine, Parker (WBO interim - mandatory) v Wardley (WBA interim). Usyk says he will fight the winner. Wardley wins. Usyk drops the WBO belt. Now we have Verhoeven for the WBC world title, no less It's jokes at this point
I am not sure I get the point, but the version of Dubois that Usyk beat was obviously by far better. Again, there is some argument drift going on. The original point in the line is that I asked who was a better #4 than Dubois, and Markus, I think not following, threw Joyce's name out there. Obviously he isn't.
I honestly can't remember but I think it was around the time Whyte was meant to fight Pulev in Bulgaria That kinda time frame I remember an interview when quizzed on it where Whyte said its not viable as he don't talk English Then when he made his name bigger Whyte was intrested but the roles were pretty much reversed
Ah that makes sense, and fit in with my recollections too. I guess that would have been back in 2018 before Usyk's move to HW Cheers
Anyone who would complain about Usyk beating Fury, Joshua and Dubois twice each is reaching? Who did he miss? Dubois has a very good shot of beating Wardley. So who did he miss? Agreed this is one of those mixed fights to grab some cash and stay healthy but please don’t say Usyk has dodged anyone
Usyk beating a novice Joyce in the amateurs who had only been boxing for 4 years while Usyk was already an Olympic champion means absolutely nothing.
Usyk looked more dangerous than ever in his last fight and takes shits more impressive than people like you. Your constant whining and non-stop Usyk hate spam is pathetic. It's embarrassing at this point. There's a reason you're one of the only people here with a negative rep to post ratio. Give it a rest, Ivan.
Joyce beat Dubois who is supposedly a big win for Usyk and who beat Joshua. He also stopped Parker while Joshua couldn't. Id say he was as deserving of fighting Usyk as they were based on beating one of them and doing better against multiple common opponents
He beat a young Dubois, and then his career came spectacularly off the rails. It's a dead issue. Nobody is going to look back in ten years and lament that Joyce didn't get a shot at Usyk. None are now, except you and literally like five other guys on here. Besides... This content is protected
I think you are both probably talking about different rankings. You are correct as that was when WBA had Trevor Bryan as #1, but the more relevant governing body was WBO (as that was the route Usyk went to challenge for the titles). Usyk was already inserted at #1 by WBO, and Chisora was #8 as the holder of their intercontinental title, when they fought. But in terms of general rankings, TBRB had Usyk at #10 before the Chisora fight, and Chisora wasn't ranked. Usyk beating Chisora didn't actually move him up their rankings, he even dropped out of the top 10 in December 2020 and re-entered at #10 in January 2021. The Ring had Usyk at #10 at the end of 2020 following his win over Chisora (who wasn't ranked).
He hasn't ducked contenders until now, that is what makes his fight with Rico so outrageous, Usyk is a guy who has been known to fight the best, fought the unified champ after 2 fights at HW, defended against Dubois and then went and fought the man who was considered the biggest and baddest in the HW division. Then regained the IBF with Dubois so it was a reasonable rematch but following that the obvious next step was Wardley or Kabayel but he fights Rico????? I honestly wouldn't have an issue with this if it wasn't a title fight and he fought more than once a year. But no Kabayel and Wardley have to wait which is bull****. People are mad at him because this is not what we have come to expect from him, he didn't really have a reason to fight the contenders you listed over the fighters he chose to actually have bouts with
I,ve never have read here any "hate" speech . Not from me , not from others . I and others critisize usyk because in my opinion usyk,s recent moves are bad for the division , other athletes and finally also for usyk himself but i do not have anything against him personally or wish him or his family something bad . I alao do not know him personally . You talk about "hate" but confuse it with with legitimate critism .