Why does weight class matter in Pac-JMM? It doesn't! Evidence.

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  1. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Moron, I presented my argument, I presented my facts, no one has been able to dispute it.

    Asking me to find research on why 148-145 = 3lbs difference is pretty ****in moronic dont you think? Here it is, simple maths. JMM weighed in 145 on his last fight, and Pac weighed in 148. WTF is it you are asking for?
     
  2. ???

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    Damn, you're thick. Would PWill be the same weight in the ring with Arreola? So now that you've stated the obvious about different builds, muscularity, etc... are weight classes no longer good enough? Should fighters only be allowed to fight opponents that match their physical dimensions and athletic ability?

    If Pac and Marquez in-ring weights are very close, they should be able to fight without one fighter having a huge advantage over the other. JMM isn't gonna need to try and pack on weight like he did vs Floyd. He knew in that fight he was gonna be significantly outweighed in the ring.
     
  3. evilsherwin

    evilsherwin Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jmm himself stated less that a week ago he would fight pac @ 147 No problems..

    So whats the Problem? sounds like discreditors as usual :roll:
     
  4. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:

    I dont even know what point he is trying to make...

    That JMM is not of similar size? I dont think so, his argument seems to be that despite them being similar size, they may not have the same physiology. So he concedes their similar size, but I guess 1 may have advantages in terms of athleticism and such. How is that Pac's fault again?

    If their ring weight is pretty close, they have 3 options:

    1)Fight at a weight above their ring weight, which means they would both have to bulk up.

    2)Fight at a much lower weight, which means they would both have to dehydrate.

    3)Just weigh in close to their ring weight, which means their at their both optimum fitness levels.

    Whether they go up, down, stay the same, cos both are of similar size its irrelevant, any advantage/disadvantage will apply to both equally.

    Unless hes implying that JMM is better at dehydrating himself than Pac and so Pac may suffer more if they both had to cut 10lb of water? :huh
     
  5. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
  6. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So you're unable to?

    Its a stupid question to begin with. For a start, no 2 men have the exact same physiology, or as you asking as to whether 2 men weighing 150lb can both have the same anatomys? You try to back me into a stupid yes or no question and obviously I wasnt dumb enough to fall for it.

    I'm "floored" :lol:
     
  7. brassgod

    brassgod Active Member Full Member

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    Dude, you don't know how to support your claim. I know there's a ****ing study out there on how the science behind cutting weight of fighters is explained. Go look for it. I don't have access to my school's journal database anymore, but then again I ain't making claims. All I want is a well thought out argument with undeniable sources.

    All you provided are a couple of data points for Pac's weights at weigh-in and fight night. Then you provided ONE data point for JMM. That's not how statistics/probability works to make suitable predictions.

    Whatever, go back to community college and take some classes on physiology, probability, and critical thinking (logic). :hi:
     
  8. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The data points are there and it states the obvious, if you want to dispute it you can go and do your own research as to why it would be more advantageous for JMM for both He and Pac to dehydrate as oppose to neither dehydrate.

    You havent even made a point yourself, or what part you disagree with. Everyone knows dehydrating isnt healthy. Point is, dont do it, you both weigh the same some come in at your natural weight and neither will have to bulk.

    Amd oh, that 1 data point for JMM happens to be his last fight. In boxing, last fight night weight is highly sufficient enough. I provided more for Pac to prove a point, regardless of what he weighs in at, he will come in at the same weight, because the weigh in is simply a case of how much water he chooses to consume.
     
  9. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    To illustrate this thread's point: If JMM is fighting someone like Cotto at 147, then JMM is at a disadvantage because JMM will weigh in at 145 on fight night while Cotto could weight at around 156lbs or almost 11 pounds difference. However, Pac is a different story. he weighs in at 148lbs max during fight night so the weight will not really matter at all. JMM could train at his leisure. if he wants to drain himself, he could weigh in at 140 lbs and it wouldn't matter because there will only be a maximum of two three pounds difference between him and pac on fight night.
     
  10. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    You only need to look at what was JMM's last fight night weight was to know his natural fighting weight.
     
  11. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Such a simple point...yet so hard to understand for many? Or do they simply refuse to?

    The advantages and disadvantages in weight divisions lies in having to dehydrate, having to bulk up or being at a weight disadvantage/advantage. None of the 3 is the case in this instance. JMM wont have to dehydrate if doesnt want to, wont need to bulk up as he meets the weight and wont be at disadvantage in terms of weight carried in the ring.

    Now someone please explain to me why this very simple concept is not true? Illustrate your argument with an example if you please?
     
  12. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Dangerously is obviously an idiot. The difference between Pacquiao vs Marquez rematch to this 3rd fight at 144 pound catchweight is the rematch happen at 130 pounds in which Pacquiao had to kill himself to make weight in which he was tired couldn't eat. At 144 pound catchweight? Pacquiao will have better energy. Pacquiao will eat better correctly. Dude only a ****** will think Pacquiao vs Marquez 3rd fight at 144 pound is not a disadvantege for Marquez.
     
  13. Partaxian

    Partaxian Active Member Full Member

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    The weight shouldn't matter too much, Pac will have a slight advantage. Jmm should just weigh in at his ring weight, eat healthy as he can and concentrate getting the most out of training camp rather than having to worry about weight. This should be a good fight.
     
  14. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    :lol: So far the only ones to agree with you are known *******s and a jew hater. Again. Good job. :lol:
     
  15. blai213

    blai213 Active Member Full Member

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    I agree .. really not that hard to understand.
    This will be Pac's most competitive fight since the last JMM fight.