Why does Wilder struggle with Journeymen?

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  1. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Initially though it was just lack of skill…Pretty sure it’s focus…I thought both Ortiz and Stiverne would beat him prior to their fights…He seems to fight up or down to the quality of opposition…
     
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  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    He's actually a bit Jeffries-esque
     
  3. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because that's all he fights
     
  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's an interesting tactic for sure, but not one made from choice but necessity. His poor footwork and balance means when he commits to a hard punch he leaves himself off balance and out of position giving his opponents chances they wouldn't get against a more well schooled fighter.

    So he's chosen to be more selective with his offense. As you say he gives up rounds to minimise his opponents opportunities to land big, just so he can find that one big punch himself and when it comes he goes all out for the stoppage.

    He's shown some ring smarts by being aware that he has this flaw and found a way to circumvent the problem to some degree. He may struggle though if he finds himself behind on the score cards and up against an opponent he can't stop, either by being too elusive to land cleanly on or too durable to be hurt by even Wilder's power.
     
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  5. Southpawswitch

    Southpawswitch Active Member Full Member

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    He should be knocking out all these guys!

    ...oh wait.
     
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  6. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.
     
  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Becasue he is high-end journeyman level.

    Duh.
     
  8. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    That's an interesting analogy. Never thought of him that way before.
     
  9. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Not sure I entirely agree with this, but it's an interesting take. I definitely think Wilder doesn't care about winning rounds, but I believe he tends to get outboxed because he's just not a very good boxer, not due to design. If he could win rounds he'd do so, since breaking down a fighter mentally, physically or stylistically is all conducive to getting the KO.

    He's definitely more of a thinker than many of us gave him credit for, however. There were shades of the rope a dope in the Ortiz fight.
     
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  10. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It was so bad that he still, to this day, can't pay by "check".
     
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  11. AJfan

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    100% right!

    The man has KO'd every single "journeyman" he "struggled" with and some want to call it luck. The only real "struggle" seems to be with all the posters on here that don't want to give him his due.
     
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  12. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Wilder doesn't 'choose' to give rounds away.

    With better footwork and a basic fundamental jab, his power would become even more dangerous.
     
  13. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    This works well against novice fighters or the C class opponents his handlers are finding him. If you wobble an A rated fighter there's always the risk you get countered if you come in throwing the kitchen sink trying to finish him.

    Wilder learned he can be reckless without taking any risk because he mostly fought push-overs who pose little resistance. This will change sooner or later when his lack of defense will come to haunt him.
     
  14. realshocks

    realshocks Member Full Member

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    Wilder is pretty shite and will get badly knocked out by any of the top 2 or 3 tbh.
     
  15. Steve_Fox

    Steve_Fox Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he does it on purpose for big drama show