Toe to Toe will always be disputed cause a fight between the two only happened in Ocean's... but, Wlad is more educated and respectful:deal therefor he gets more respect from me in that aspect....not that Lennox isn't educated or super disrespectful
I don't understand it. You see bashing on a great fighter like Wladimir who wants to fight everyone yet praises for frauds and cheaters like Margarito.
p4p, a few questions: 1. The Ring has Wlad rated #42 p4p in the world. Do you agree with that? Or would your rate him lower? 2. If he beats Haye and the Chagaev/Valuev winner impressively in 2009, how far would he rise in your p4p ratings? 3. At this point, what would Wlad have to do to be considered top 10 p4p in your mind?
Same questions: 1. Is #42 p4p a fair enough ranking of Wlad. Lower? 2. Is Zoldt Erdei better than Wlad p4p? 3. If Wlad KOs Haye and then Chagaev/Valuev winner, will that change your opinion of him?
I hear what you're saying regarding WALDO being educated and respectful, I've always found him to be a really nice man. However that doesn't win you points in a boxing ring, and I still think Lewis would have butchered him inside of 2 rounds, nothing will change my mind on that.
I'D put him in my top 35..I'm pretty sure I can name 34 fighters today that are better than Wlad..only 1 of em is in the HW division and his name is Vitali. Erdei is in the same category as Wlad though he hasn't done much himself..his biggest win is over Danny Santiago who himself isn't great If he knocks out Haye that could boost him up 5 notches...I'd favor him over the winner and loser of Chagaev and Valuev...DON KING WON'T LET VALUEV NEAR ANY KLITCHKO CUZ VALUEV IS A BUM AND GOT A GIFT DECISION IN HIS FIGHT WITH HOLYFIELD! Wlad needs to do exactly what he's doing but do it with more flahiness..only thing is Wlad isn't very flashy...:-(
hmmm let's see.... *52-3 with 46kos *13-2, 11kos in world title fights *Unified champion *Undefeated against Ring ranked top 10hws in his career *6 of his last 8 fights have been against Ring ranked top 10 hws 6-0, 4kos *10 fight winning streak including 7kos *Defeated 8 world champions *Universally regarded to have one of the best jabs and right hands in boxing *Dominates his opponents rarely losing a round and avoids big punches about as well as anyone around today *Will fight anyone sure sounds like a bum to me....i'd sure like to see the justification for these 40+ guys 'objectively' ranked above him he's a top 10 fighter...no doubt in my mind...and has the ability to dominate late into his 30s cause he takes care of himself so well and has a style conducive to long careers. and Ring magazine sure seems to have a vendetta against the KLitschkos for some reason. I let my subscription run out long ago :yep ...and Ron Borges is the biggest hater ever. His hatred for the Klitschkos and Tyson knows no bounds. Every article seems to be negative and his neverending hard-on for Jack Dempsey is quite disturbing.
i wouldn't take polls or magazine ratings to heart. wlad deserves to be one of the most respected modern day fighters for overcoming the mental '****up' of losing to sanders. i've said it before but i'll say it again because that's a huge, huge barrier to overcome in the fight game. haye isn't favourite against wlad either.
obviously ranking him at 42 is ******ed. Noone can dispute that. He's a solid top25. Easily I'd have him somewhere from 15-20.
:hi::hi: hi chef. hope u r doing well. is the announcement coming soon or is haye gonna bottle it? :yep
Judging by the number of gay threads/topics in the lounge, I think there is a lot of closet homesexuals, who happen to have crush on him, but are conflicted to admit that they have a man crush on the Klitschko's.