Why doesn't Lennox have universal approval ?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Shall we do it? I can't really be ****ed today but we could do it tomorrow. I'll do two, you do two, we'll check each other's lists and see who is #1.

    POWERpuncher.
     
  2. Foxy 01

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    Ali? No chance. His biggest punching opponents were Shavers, Norton, Lyle, Frazier, Foreman, and Liston. How many of those were 230+pound guys?

    Holyfield, who has he got that Lewis hasn't other than Bowe?

    Joe Louis? Don't make me laugh. Your seriously telling me that the Brown Bomber fought more guys who were bigger than, or hit harder than Tyson, Klitchko, Tua, Briggs, Bruno, Morrison, Tucker, and yes even Rahman.
     
  3. The Mongoose

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    Would be tricky. I think Ali, Holyfield, and Louis are the accepted big three because of the accepted reputations of the men they faced.

    But going about this in a scientific way.

    What are the variables and what constitutes a power puncher?

    "Name me the guy who has a deeper resume of powerpunching opponents in the history of the division"

    And giving this statement, would he have to be a HW Champion? Would he have have to even have won these fights?

    I'm thinking of a guy like Jack Sharkey in that case.
     
  4. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    More revisionist garbage. If you believe the Roid Jones nut huggers on this site he TALKED to Lewis about a fight in 2003 after he had beaten Ruiz. That means nothing. The only fight Lewis was interested in was a Tyson rematch, which didn't happen causing this to occur.

    Despite the opinions of Klitchko fan boys, Tyson was still the big money for Lewis at that time. It wasn't going to happen so he retired, possibly due to thew fact that he couldn't get motivated for a fight with someone he had already ripped a new ******* around his eye, when he was fat, and out of fighting condition.

    Retiring is simply that, it is not ducking, especially when you have fuked the other guys face up the way Lennox fuked Vitali's.
     
  5. The Mongoose

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    I see it so much on these boards and never fails to make me laugh to see a lean man with visible 8 pack abdominals referred to as "fat."

    :lol:


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  6. Vanboxingfan

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    ^ While I was never one to label Lewis fat in his last fight, he certainly was rusty, especially in the first couple of rounds.

    He may also have been out of shape, and you don't have to be fat to be out of shape, you just don't have to train as hard as you should. That said, no way do I think Lewis would have quite due to exhaustion no matter how long that fight lasted. But fat or not, out of shape or not, he still busted up V.K. pretty convincingly, which ends up being the bottom line.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, Vitali looked like he'd stuck his face between two fighting dogs.

    I've always thought, for the people who celebrate the idea of the "superior skilled modern super heavyweight", the Lewis-Vitali fight should be a bit of embarrassment.
    Two big slow oafs wrestling and trading punches with each other, dubious stamina levels, and no pretense of defense.
    Entertaining, yes.
     
  8. Vanboxingfan

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    I think Merchant said it best when he said it was Gatti-Ward on the highest level. Given that neither Gatti nor Ward were the most skilled of fighters, I thought that was a good description. Lampley called it a Pier 6 brawl. Skilled it wasn't, but they were big men throwing leather with bad intentions and that upper cut Lewis threw in the 6th round, would have dropped a lot of fighters. Hell even some of the jabs he threw were about the heaviest I've seen. He essentially stopped a 240lb man in his tracks with those jabs.
     
  9. Seamus

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    What other heavyweight has been so criticized for a winning performance in his final fight at the age of 37?

    Especially when he should be applauded for stopping a guy who time would prove was tough as nails.
     
  10. Vanboxingfan

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    That's a great question, one I've thought about often. It wasn't as if he took on an easy opponent.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    I don't really see anyone criticizing him for that fight, apart from the more deranged of the partisan Klit-lovers.

    It was probably a tougher fight than most expected at the time, but Vitali was very underrated going in.
     
  12. Seamus

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    I will listen to an argument being made for Ali. He has the greatest resume of any heavy so if we were to reduce it just to those we accept as "powerpunchers" it's still going to be awesome.

    Louis, I can not stand by. He is definitively behind Lewis.
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    For a start, Ali beat two reigning champions who had just bombed out the previous champions inside 1 or 2 rounds.
    That's proven effective power punching at championship level, not just a theoretical danger.
     
  14. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    The answer is simple.....

    Lennox Lewis was born in London ENGLAND which not only makes his BRITTISH but also a c o c kney to boot
    When asked about his nationality Lennox replied I'm British but as World Heavyweight Champion I'm representing THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  15. prime

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    PEDs are the elephant in the room, especially when comparing eras.

    But you are the ****head in the room, so good riddance.