Why doesn't Lennox have universal approval ?

True, and the elephant's been alive and kicking far longer than many want to believe.

What the PED's fighters of the 60's and 70's had access to lacked in refinement, they made up for in availability. Zero testing didn't hurt. The Olympics didn't even test for stimulants 'till 72 and anabolics 'till 76.

 

You ought to try spinning around in ever decreasing circles, and disappear up your own *******. you pathetic moron.

Cos you sure can write some sh it. Show us an example of a Lewis fight where your moronic brain thinks he was on PED's, because for every one you show, I'll show 2 where he was shaking his arms out by his sides, and sucking in air like a chain smoker within 6 rounds.

Some fukin PED's they must have been, even more fuking useless than you.

 

I'm not interested in the Daily Mail, or any other right wing rag tbh.

Just compare the way Lewis looks in these.

[url]https://youtu.be/alzu9t1CmRM[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/W7a3i1VyUkY[/url]

Then tell me he isn't carrying fat.

 

My point is that in a good few instances these guys were lighter than Ali, ( I would only count post exile Ali from Quarry to Shavers, it is stupid to count Spinks and onwards when the poor guy was a shell of his former self ) or say 220 max.

As far as pre exile goes, someone ( I think it might have been McVey in another thread ) said even Liston only fought between 212 and 216, though I'm not sure on Williams weight.

Lewis though often the bigger man fought enough guys that were 230 +, and I do believe that those extra 10 - 20 pounds make a big difference. Given that we are talking big punchers.

 

So Lewis was fat and Daily Mail photoshopped:rofl

Foxy01, your boyfriend (whose **** you like to suсk) must be VERY lean if you dare to call that six-pack Lennox Lewis FAT.

As Vanboxingfan correctly admitted, Lewis shouldn't be fat to be out of shape (not ready for 100% as he was in most meaningful fights)

 

Well done.

You have managed to prove the validity of communist media brainwashing with propaganda if you think a photo in a paper is worth more than film of a fighter. It is no wonder Putin is throwing his weight around in Ukraine.:roll:

 

As late as 1992 (Lewis-Ruddock fight) the WBC president Jose Sulaiman was saying that steroids weren't banned by the WBC ....

Lewis is not contractually bound to be clean of steroids for the bout. However, Ruddock, as an overseas fighter, must be tested before the fight.

'I've had experience of this,' Ruddock said. 'When I fought Mike Tyson twice, he didn't have a steroids test. But we are in a different position now in this fight against Lewis.'
WBC President Jose Sulaiman said steroids are not on his organization's list of prohibited substances.
'It may not be banned by them, but it is banned by me,' Ruddock said. 'I don't want to leave anything to chance. We've got to know where we stand.'

 

This is one of the more bizarre posts I've ever read. A photo is a photo, it doesn't appear anywhere on the left-right political spectrum :huh

 

That is insane WBC have always been corrupt

 

Yes, this was FOUR YEARS AFTER the huge steroids scandal of the 1988 Seoul Olympics where Ben Johnson tested positive (in a race where 6 of the 8 runners turned out to be proven dopers at one time or another), and Florence Griffith-Joyner won her gold medals and suddenly retired * ... and anabolic steroids were being well and truly maligned by the media, frowned upon and banned in every sport, officially by governing bodies at least ... apart from WBC and boxing it seems !

 

WTF are you talking about? Are you seriously trying to claim a photo in a paper, of a fighter posing with his arms raised aloft, is a better indicator of the condition of that fighter than film footage of him ACTUALLY in the ring during that fight? If not, wtf are you saying?

 

And your point is? Guilt by association regarding Lewis because both he and Johnson were Canadian?

Just show me footage of Lewis ever looking ripped like say Frank Bruno. Or are you actually denying Lewis's stamina problems, because that is all they are good for. Either you look like a body builder, or you can train for longer periods and recover quicker.

Lewis doesn't seem to qualify on either count.

 

PEDs were not a factor in boxing till the '80s, for one simple reason:
bulk was frowned upon; cardio - keeping weight down - was paramount.

A paradigm shift - toward bulk - occurred in the '80s, and boxing changed.

Gone are string-bean heavyweights; punchers proliferate.

Lewis, on resume, is the king of this era - which peaked in the '90s. It is hardly a stretch to suspect he did the "smart" thing and 'roided up - lest, like a cyclist in the Armstrong era, he be unable to compete successfully.

Look at Lewis' string-bean appearance in the Catskills pic with young Tyson. Tyson, younger than Lewis, looks like Tyson. Lewis is hardly recognizable, especially compared to that huge Lion of his greatest victories.

Sports changed. The performer not on the juice was at a disadvantage. More or less ditto today.

 

:nut

 

I don't know whether Lewis took PED's or not, but I think boxing fans are in denial if they believe the sport have escaped the scourge of drugs.

Interesting that you mention Lance Armstrong: he showed such dramatic improvement that people inside cycling were questioning him for years; I would question how Vlad has cured a glaring stamina problem(better pacing accepted).

Similarly, Holyfield turned an already impressive physique into one of a Marvel superhero; I think he and Frank Bruno are more suspect than Lewis. I wouldn't rule anything out, but that's just my view.