There are several reasons why this isn't just hype. He has KTFO 9 of his last 10 opponents within 8 rounds, he has also KO'd all his opponents that were championship fights(fighting for a belt.) 2 of those opponents Darchinyan and Montiel were ranked on top 10 P4P lists at the time(both opponents were destroying their lastest opponents and coming off huge wins). He has one loss but was second fight of career and hasn't loss since, he also has never been down in a fight. Marquez-although outside of donaire probably the best counterpuncher in the sport- has losses to mayweather and pacquiao(can't blame him for mayweather as that was a weight mismatch.) He beat Casamayor but he was considered faded by many. Diaz and Katsidis wins were great but they are not elite by any means. He only has 4 KOs in title fights but they came late usually after 9th round. But above all he gave manny hell for 24 rounds. But the KOs are just not there-only 5 of his last 10. Still amazing that as old as he is he is still the best lightweight in the world. Martinez-excellent movement and extremely smart boxer-(I believe would box too well for mayweather to consider fighting him.) Lost a controversial decision to Williams but avenged it in the rematch with a spectacular dead man walking punch but barely won a MD over Cintron(who I believe has a lot of talent-look at what he did to Williams for 4 rounds-but not a lot of heart-look at what happened in Williams fight.) He has 5 wins in title fights but only 6 of last 10 were KOs-still pretty damn impressive. Pavlik win was impressive but as we all know Pavlik is a limited fighter who can't handle lateral movement. I think this fighter has gotten extremely smarter in the ring lately but his KO ratio against top fighters is just not quite there yet. In retrospect the reason why I give the high ranking to Donaire is simply KOs and in the early rounds against quality competition that are coming off impressive wins. Thoughts? Discuss?
I honestly think Donaire is a cut above Martinez. Martinez has not fought fighters with a lot of skill. Cintron has power and decent fundamentals but I wouldn't call him a skilled fighter. Pavlik and Williams are beasts but not very smart fighters. Donaire destroyed a beast, and he destroyed a skilled, powerful tactician. His wins over Mthlane, Martinez, Maldonaldo, and Sidorenko were all good wins as well and very dominant. It will be interesting to see if he goes up against the fast hands of Gamboa one day, but right now I would say he is a cut above Martinez. Clearly. I think Marquez is also better than Martinez, and I also think Ward is better than Martinez although he hasn't gotten a chance to prove it yet. At 118, I actually think Donaire is a better fighter than Floyd is at 147. That's nothing personal, just calling it like I see it.
Another reason why he is so deadly is that he is a counterpuncher that figures out his opponents extremely fast which means his ring IQ is amazing, most counterpunchers get started late as they have to figure out there opponents like Marquez. Mayweather to me is above him in the p4p just because he has faced better competition at this time. Donaire's timing is just as good as mayweather's but he also has power which makes him elite. Once mayweather has been inactive for 1 year I will put nonito at number 2 below manny.
All good points and I think Donaire has done enough to conceivably be placed as number 2, but I personally think Martinez deserves it a little more. Both of their accomplishments seem very similar, actually. I just think Martinez' resume is slightly superior to Donaire's. I could see someone placing him above Martinez on ability, though.
yeah my p4p lists are usually rated on accomplishments on recent fights, with in a few years, I try not to place it on ability too much because people have ability but react differently when faced with diversity. I def can see people placing martinez slightly higher though no fault in that :thumbsup
reason why not: Resume. Aside from Darch (years ago) and Montiel there's not one elite name. Martinez beat 2 elite names back to back, Marquez and B-Hop's resumes speak for themselves.
1.KO/TKO highlight reel against more than worthy and don't forget dangerous oppositions. 2.Exciting fights.No hugging, no clinch fest, it's straight up high level Boxing. 3.He can dance hip hop and sing rnb, soul, and pop rock.:thumbsup
yep Mthlane, Martinez, Maldonaldo, and Sidorenko were all good wins for donaire. i have no problem with donaire at #3. any of him, martinez and marquez are interchangeable at that position imo.
I have no problem putting him ahead of martinez. I don't rate him higher then Marquez at this point in time. I give Marquez a lot of credit for being as affective as he is at 135 lbs, which in my estimation is a full 9 lbs above is most affective weight. Unlike the thread starter that seems to put alot of stock in early knockouts I don't always equate this with great performances. All things being equal its not a bad indicator but too many other variables have to be considered. The thread starter could make the same arguements about Manny as he did about Marquez. With the exception of Hatton and the third Morales fight when was the last time he scored an early knockout? Someone else above said that he thinks that Donaire at 118 lbs is right now better then Floyd is at 147 lbs.....I wouldn't agree with that. You would probably be able to make an arguement that he's more dominant. He may be better too, but to be honest we haven't seen him challenged enough to tell, and on Floyds end, we plain old haven't seen him enough. At this point he hasn't shown me enough to think he either is or can be as good as floyd was at 130-135 lbs. As for the guy the that said Nonito and Floyd have similoar refelxes....I would have to disagree but I'll admitt its tough to gauge reflexes between these two because ones a 118 lb fighter and the other is a welterweight. Also Nonito's timing comes from having very active feet. Floyds is a combination of feet are a lot more subtle and his upperbody is a lot more involved. Floyd tries to punch before his opponent or after them. Nonito has more of an ambush pattern.
Long undefeated streak. Beat two world class opponents. Has the skill-level too be & beat the very best. Is fun too watch!!!!!!!:hat
WTF:fire number 3. He needs to be number 1 while Floyd is retired. Donaire is the best Pinoy boxer in the world
well martinez resume is not that great either if you are talking elites, kermit cintron is borderline, marquez does have a great resume you could make a case just on resume for him but not that many ko's.
putting stock of early knockouts almost ALWAYS equates to a great performance. Also if you dominate an opponent like Pacquaio has done, or put on a brilliant defensive show like floyd-its different ways about going for the top of the p4p list. marquez is a counterpuncher-so is donaire-donaire ko's opponents earlier than marquez, I'm just using logic here