Why don't fighters just throw the over hand right against the shoulder roll?

Floyd wasn't in the philly shell when he got hurt. He was punching with Mosley and in mid-exchange, got caught. That first right didn't hurt Floyd.

smdh

 

Great advice. :roll:

Someone who knows what they're doing in the shell defense, simply has to shift their elbow laterally, and you end up smashing your forearm/bicep against it.

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Probably yes. body shots are also good, but throwing an UC gives more protection from getting countered, since your opponents right (assuming he's an orthodox fighter with his left shoulder up) will be held low.

In the pic that thawk888 just posted, his right is held high, but that's because he's totally in "defense" mode. (Philly defense) Floyd's right would typically be down, like a cobra coiled-up & ready to strike. In other words, he mostly uses the roll without going fully into the "shell" because he's looking to counter very quickly. He's also very good at changing the position of his right in perfect sync with whatever his opponent is doing at the time.

This is also why IMO a LEFT UC is better than the right UC. I'm not sure about the hook, but probably the right as Gander Tasco explained.

 

Because they're amateurs. That's how he knows. Hence the word amateurs.

 

I was yelling for Cotto to shift to the right on the inside and launch the left hook from that position. You need to attack the middle plane of a shoulder-roll Philly type defense.

 

Any right hand you throw to someone in a Philly Shell needs to be set up with a feint so you can time it right at the right range.

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I was referring to the left hook to the body. But yea. :rasta

 

Oh true, my mistake. Yeah, not a punch I'd throw without making a guy cover up top first. And that's not really something inherent in that style of guard.

 

You must feel great after Saturday. How was the fight live?

 

Marquez's elbow is WAY up!:yep

After looking at that picture I certainly wouldn't call it a right cross.

I'd say he was throwing an overhand right.

 

Oh man, check out this video I just bumped into on the toooob:

"The Shoulder Roll Boxing Masterclass - Mayweather, Toney, Guzman"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCiVNJ60RyA



this is all you need to know on the subject!

 

An overhand is easy to roll and take on the shoulder and then counter. It's no different than a straight right as far as defending it goes. Both shots land in the same place and are blocked in the same place. The overhand is useful because it's harder to see and time the defense/counter.

There's no single shot you throw to beat a shell defense. The key is to throw in combination. You might throw a looping right to get them to roll and then throw or feint the left hook downstairs (depending on how disposed they are to counter you) and bring an overhand, straight right, or right uppercut. The third shot is the one that lands. It's about creating openings, not assuming they exist just because the opponent shows them to you.

OP has been fighting some n00bs. The only way an overhand right is the magic key to the shell is if the opponent doesn't understand distance and how to move with punches. In which case they would have stopped using the shell from having been knocked out so many times.

 

Most of you tards don't even know what punch the op is refering to, which is the Timmy Witherspoon-style overhand right.

 

I have often used the shoulder roll technique (not on the OP's level according to him), over hand right does sometimes work, but if you miss time it, it will leave you open big time and it is a extremely tiring punch to miss. Best punch i would say is a a strong jab to the body to the chest area, or a straight left if quick enough as a southpaw.