Why don't more boxers TURTLE?

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Primenal, Jun 25, 2008.


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  1. BladeJrs

    BladeJrs N/A Full Member

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    I had to hold back from spitting out my water from laughing at that. Bravo to the random but at the same time relevant comment.
     
    BladeJrs, Jun 28, 2008
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  2. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My original question was why don't boxers do turtling (turn there gloves outwards so they can cover more of there face)?..Like Winky Wright. It's very hard to hit you, if your a body puncher you can muscle your way in, and then smash them up, etc. Then, I was asking what are the disadvantages, and weaknesses of turning your gloves outwards (what I'm calling turtling)?
     
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  3. Machine

    Machine Active Member Full Member

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    I understand what you mean by turtling. Others call it "peek-a-boo" defense or what Ted Atlas calls 'putting the ear muffs on'. Winky or Ike Quartey style.

    It's a good defensive technique that most boxers use at various times thoughtout a round (particularly if they're caught out of position or if they don't want to be pushed back by the other guy's combination, giving them access to the inside), but some, like the guys mentioned above use it all the time, prefering it to head movement, a lot of foot movement and parrying. Most use a combination of all the defensive options.

    The disadvantage to 'turtling' is that it is very defensive in so far as the other guy can tea-off with upper-cuts and hooks around your gloves knowing that you're not in a good position to offer your own offense. It's a difficult position to fire your own punches from unless you're Winky (and I think his power is diminished somewhat from punching from this position), or to move your head.

    If I'm sparring someone and they cover-up in the manner you're discussing I know I've got a split second where I can unleash upper-cuts/hooks or rights through the middle, and then move, cos' the other guy has gone into his shell and will not be offering anything back at that moment.
     
    Machine, Jun 30, 2008
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  4. boxbible

    boxbible Active Member Full Member

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    So you're Jeet Kune Do instructor got in a few uppercuts?

    A good boxer would tear your head off with uppercuts and then step to the side while you were still "turtling" in.
     
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  5. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His student did...Haven't got to try it on the instructor yet. I didn't turtle the whole time though. I'll turtle when I'm conventional stance, I'd chase him and throw lots of punches whenever in southpaw, and when he's coming at me I'd steal his defensive style and slap him with a backhand.
    I found a new one though where somebody cannot shoot the uppercut, and is being in a shell. Some guy told me he watched a fight on friday night fights, and turned his arms HORIZONTALLY (his front arm was used to cover his face, and rear arm was used to cover his body)...Quite weird. He'd do this style to get inside, blast the guy to the body, and back out. He said that's the only thing he did, and won the fight. I tryed it yesterday, and amazingly works pretty well, but you cannot do a lot of offense out of it. I couldn't use it in a real boxing match, but I turn my gloves out to protect more of my body...Somebody gets close, and I slap them with a backfist with the front hand, and then shoot the hook right after. Then you can immediately come back with the opposite backfist, and another hook.
     
    Primenal, Jul 1, 2008
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  6. joekirkbycobra

    joekirkbycobra King Of The Ring Full Member

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    d u mean like winky wright
     
    joekirkbycobra, Jul 1, 2008
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  7. elTerrible

    elTerrible TeamElite General Manager Full Member

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    Winky Wright has unusually long forearms. If you look at him he covers pretty much his face and body/ribs at the same time. People with normal forearms would have to choose between blocking their face and leaving their body open or vice versa.

    Also I dont know what kind of gloves you use in your martial art class, but Winky uses the biggest puffiest brand which creates even more area to block.

    If you are using smaller gloves in your class its less to block with.
     
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