Why don't promoters make stronger undercards?

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  1. TEAM_LOMA

    TEAM_LOMA This is Boxing Full Member

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    I don't understand why promoters will put a bunch of nobodies on a card and expect to draw high numbers?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to add bigger names to attract more viewers and butts in seats and in turn make a bigger profit? Why not feature double main events? What's stopping this from happening?
     
  2. ryuken87

    ryuken87 Active Member Full Member

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    It doesn't make financial sense for the promoters. Every fight you add to a card will offer diminishing returns in terms of viewership.
     
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  3. kim_jong_un

    kim_jong_un Member banned Full Member

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    Double main events? Increasing input by x (2x in this case) most likely doesn't mean that output will increase by 2x. You make more money doing 2 separate events. Better to have two 500k PPV events than one 700k.

    Business/economics 101.
     
  4. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    I don't mind seeing nobodies on the undercard, but they should be equally-matched nobodies.
    That's what the undercard should be. Good 50-50 fights but don't need to be top fighters at all.
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Less money. On the Joshua card for example Kell Brook is fighting.

    Kell won't be in a big fight because Hearn would make more money by putting him on his own card, meaning another gate and more money. Whilst his name on the Joshua card is something people would go and see if they weren't in the first place
     
  6. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very simple, it has to do with who’s in the main and how much there making
     
  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Because they don't give a **** about boxing fans and boxing fans are limp enough to be ok with it.
     
  8. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Basic business 101. It's adding to their costs. The trick is to find the sweet spot where there's enough on the undercard to satisfy the TV companies and the punters whilst not eating into the profits.
     
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  9. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Not really.
    GBP did really well on SHO around 2013 and so. They had multiple triple and quadruple headers that were a ratings hit.
     
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  10. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    One of HBO's strongest(in ratings) cards of 2014 was Rosado-Lemieux.
    A gatekeeper and a once promising prospect headlining.
    Also featured Dulorme vs Lundy and De La Rosa vs Centeno Jr.
     
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  11. ryuken87

    ryuken87 Active Member Full Member

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    Look at it this way, there are a finite amount of boxing fans. Let's say for arguement's sake that Porter-Ugas did 1 million views, and that Garcia-Granados also did 1 million views, fighting a few weeks apart. If you put them both on the same card, does that mean 2 million views? No, because a lot of those viewers are the same people. You will get more than 1 million but less than 2 million. However, each fighter will still demand the same purse.
     
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  12. Bollywooden

    Bollywooden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Arum used to say nobody watched them, he'd know in fairness.
     
  13. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For several reasons:
    1) It's expensive — fighters ask for more money when facing strong opponents;
    2) It's risky — promoters put money into building their fighters, and they don't want them to lose;
    3) A lot of casual fans are ok with mismatches — they want to see knockouts;
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  14. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some promoters like King had so many fighters at one time, that he could make better undercard matches. Arum and Delahoya put their all into one or two fighters, so they give us terrible undercard fights and sold the fights for enough. I would think someone could put it all together and put the good matchups together also by just having most of the fighters. Then the promoters don't risk everything on one undercard/card. Don King did have good undercards.. He had some really good cards in the late 80s and early 1990s. Chavez Randall in 1994 had some good fights. I think that was the opening of the MGM grand. Even Hearns fought on the undercard, although he fought some guy who was not good. Dan Ward. I do think Arum and Delahoya could put on a little bit better undercards than what they do. Absolutely. Also there was one fightcard which Don King had which could have been Tyson vs. Ruddock. And forget who he had then but it was good? Could it have been Duran fighting on the undercard, Simon Brown and Terry Norris? The one card which Arum had which was a rare decent card in 1986 was that triple hitter card in the summer of 1986, yet he didn't risk much-it was Hearns vs. Medal as the main event, and Duran vs. Sims and then Cruz vs. McGuigan. That was a decent card. Usually they are not good with him. Hearns was the big favorite and so was McGuigan. I am not sure who was favored with Duran vs. Sims. But it was a decent fight.
     
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  15. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Well that is true, but you are looking at from the wrong angle.
    Porter and Garcia are the so called A-sides. They will always be able to draw an audience.
    But what about Ugas and Granados? Would it be a bad fight? Absolutely not. Would it make sense to be it's own main event? No. They are not draws.

    Most PBC cards have decent names on it, but in mismatches.
    But under Richard Schaefer, GBP used to put on cards like this:

    http://boxrec.com/en/event/678489
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