Why don't refs score anymore

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    What ever happened to referees being able to score fights?
     
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  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They have another job to do.
     
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  3. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The two judges, referee should have always been retained IMO. "They have another job to do?" There are millions of jobs that require 'multi-tasking' much more difficult than a referee judging a fight. Many times, throughout the years, the ref was the sole judge in fights. He's right there, he sees (and hears) the shots. He sees the eyes of the combatants. Often the blood is on him. With a referee judging a fight, many contests would have ended differently. One example: Young would have beaten Norton.
    My $0.02 on this.
     
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  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I multi-task at my job, as I'm sure you do. My job isn't protecting people's well-being, however. I stand by that. His job is his job. He can't have one eye on scoring and do that effectively while concentrating on the rest of it.
     
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  5. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because they screwed it up too many times. Arthur Mercante's scoring was at times awful. Ask Kenneth Norton or Floyd Patterson.
     
  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Mercante had some ridiculous system where he broke each round into three separate one-minute intervals, I think.
     
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  7. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I don't think one can ask either of them anything anymore
     
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  8. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In thinking about this further I really don't think this as 'multi-tasking'; more like performing your job requirements. Harry Gibbs was a fine referee who often solely judged fights. He separated fighters when needed, warned fighters when needed and had his eye clearly on 'punch count', reactions from fighters, etc. Often Harry would give a fighter a 1/4 point victory in England and, usually, no one complained.
    That's doing your job and doing it well!
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    I sat next to Harry a couple of times very nice man and an honest one,he rarely gave even rounds.
     
  10. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's cool if we differ in opinion on this...….I'm sure there are always going to be the Harry Gibbs of the world who are really good at it and no harm comes to anyone because he has to split duties. There might even be another Harry Gibbs type out there who could be good too. Maybe even another. My point is that if you make it a systemic thing to where each referee must also be a judge, you're inviting trouble. Not everyone is going to be all Harry Gibbs about it. There are those who can barely do the one job they have. And given that, when you're talking the gravity and level of responsibility a referee has in a boxing ring, I'd rather take that element of risk out of the equation.
     
  11. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    They still do it routinely in UK boxing, which you would know if you weren't such a **** ant casual fan.
     
  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Shut up. You know I was talking world level fights where the trend is for the ref not to score
     
  13. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I didn't, actually, because you're not competent enough at communicating with people to articulate that in your original post, which you'll see if you bother to reread your own dribble....

    Dumb ass. :lol:
     
  14. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Takes one to know one
     
  15. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ah yes, I recall first hearing this comeback when I was in second grade. I didn't find it particularly intelligent sounding then either. :lol: