Why don't some classic boxing fans and historians give modern fighters credit?

So do you think Wlad and Joshua would simply overpower the likes of Ali, Tyson and Holyfield too ?

 

No. Like I said there are all sorts of factors to consider. Wlad would be favoured IMO against both Ali and Holyfield due to the physical and stylistic advantages he possessed, but potentially prey to a prime Tyson. Joshua is relatively unproven so I wouldn't like to favour him against anyone at this stage, but his speed and power coupled with an innate sense of timing and distance would make him a tough task against anyone.

 

Well then, it's just an opinion about Joe Louis's style. Fair enough.
He's comparable in size and power to those guys, so it just comes down to guessing how styles match up.

 

Louis would be considered a blown up cruiserweight nowadays, as dismissive as that term is. His best weight was a shade above 200, and modern day CWs regularly weigh in fight night in the 210s/215s.

I don't see anything on film that suggests he was comparable in power to any modern top punching heavyweight so that has to be considered in any H2H matchup for me.

Don't forget the advent of PEDs, which weren't around in Louis's day.

 

So if GGG loses by stoppage to Canelo and loses a rematch to Jacobs his current status won't change?

Now that is mind boggling to me!lol
Joshua is a work in progress at the moment anyone making a definitive statement regarding his all time standing is a fool.Anyone saying he defeats 95% of past heavyweights is-well ,I wont go there.

ATM I'd pick;
Lewis
Liston
Ali
Bowe
Foreman
Dempsey
Louis
Holyfield
Tyson
Frazier
W Klit
V Klit
Johnson
Walcott
To beat him that's just off the top of my head.
We don't even know if he can beat Wilder,Ortiz ,Pulev, or Parker!

 

If career completion doesn't matter, than perhaps Tyson Fury has the perfect formula.

 

Well than thats the differance between me and you i can decipher actual abilities and what would actually happen say throwing a Joe Louis against a 6'6 ELITE 240 plus pounder like Joshua...do you really need a breakdown to show you why he defeats 95% of fighters to lace them up? Its illogical to suggest fighters of Louis wins against him. And i wont go there if you think he does...........................................................

The rest you posted really has nothing to do with assessing someones career,obviously i already went over what you are asking.

 

Fury has done nothing but defeat a not so motivated Klitchko....fury stll poses trouble for many guys,his 85 inch reach and 6'9 height just doesnt disappear bc of his resume.

 

What I'm saying is we don't analyze fighters by the results of the entire span of their careers, than Fury has a good thing going on. Because he retired at the top, and never exposed himself to too many situations that would give away some vulnerabilities or weaknesses.

Maybe he (for some randomly odd reason) sucks against swarmers. If he doesn't fight one, we'll never know. If he did, and got beat bad, it matters in assessing him against his peers.

 

Have to disagree on Fury retiring bc he is an entire asterix on him bc he has Ped accusations and one meaninful win outside Chisora. He would be far better off losing to a top guy than being one of the worst HW champs in history and didnt even defend it once which also questions where he actually rates career wise?

If he comes back and immediatley faces Joshua and loses it doesnt exactly mean anything in my book bc thats a huge task to take against someone i think will crush him.

 

That's pretty much what we mean.

 

I do believe the sport peaked in decades past when it was considerably more popular and had more fighters. However, I believe a great fighter is a great fighter in any era. And the true measure of any fighter is his success among his peers.

 

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard.lol
Your opinion is not only at odds with mine it is diametrically opposed to that held by the majority of boxing experts. No I don't need a breakdown from you thanks, I'm not that impressed with what I've seen of your analytical abilities so far.

 

Rhyme.
The jury is still out on Fury.

 

Louis was an elite ATG. Joshua has proven himself as nothing so far in his short career. To pick lowly Joshua to beat the most highly skill hwt ever to live is fan boy talk. Big time fan boy talk.