Why don't some classic boxing fans and historians give modern fighters credit?

Good point.
I can't imagine Hopkins holding the middleweight championship for long if he was competing in the 1930s to 1960s.

 

Somewhere a modernist is bawling

 

A guy responded to him pretty much saying "but what about moorer?" and Foreman told him not even then. He said he "wasn't like that anymore".

 

Yes, I think he genuinely feared killing someone in the 1980s/90s.
He'd had 10 years away to think about the craziness of it all and didn't need that on his conscience or the damage to his new image.

 

Yep. That's what I'm talking about. It's fairly easy to see the difference, looking at the fights.

 

Thats because he fought bigger stronger guys in the 90's ,even foreman admits withe the current generation that they are bigger and stronger than when he fought. Yes foreman hit guys harder bc they were also roughly around 210 pounds on average.You can save the B.s for less knowledgeable ppl bc i already had a convo with him about this! lol

 

you are like talking to a wall so i'll leave it there. lol
Did you figure out what Chicken Kiev is yet and realize its not named after a fighter,,you have to be trolling right? ? SMH

 

See this is what I mean. You can't successfully argue your points so you go on some schizophrenic tangent about **** nobody gives a **** about and that is not related to boxing.

 

Wtf does the size of the opponent have to do with how hard you hit them? You lost this debate lmao. Not like you had a chance.

Smh...

 

Foreman going into his bout with Norton felt he was not getting the respect he thought he deserved. He actually wanted to kill Norton in the ring that night and if you watch the bout he certainly looked as if he was trying to hurt him very badly. I've watched many a fighter train and no fighter I have ever seen seemed to hit as hard as Foreman. He was an immensely powerful puncher in his prime. Scary power.

 

This is just priceless because you spend all your time here bigging yourself up and telling us mere mortals we know f*ck all, whereas you have all the knowledge and answers.
You are by far the most condescending, conceited , arrogant ,self absorbed, smug, know all, I have encountered on this forum and that is in the face of some very stiff competition!

Jesus God, do you need some lessons in self awareness!

 

the reason is because of Sat. night. You need all the information of a guy to say if he is great. We can say someone is great and then he loses. I remember everyone thought Livingstone Bramble was p4p and then Rosario wiped him out in 2. And later he was not much.

 

Of course there are, but I don't give many boxing fans a hope in hell of spotting them, let alone accurately weighing their opinions with their own.

 

Q Was Eddie Futch an expert? A=

Q Was Ray Arcel an expert? A=

 

I'd say there's plenty of evidence to suggest that Foreman took a better shot in his comeback than in his prime, and I don't think he's an exception in this regard either. Toney, Briggs, even Wlad all took better shots in their latter stage careers than earlier. Briggs took a hellacious amount of punishment against Vitali, but was dropped and stopped by the relatively willowy Darroll Wilson. Did Wilson hit that much harder than Vitali, or were there other factors involved?

I think it's a mistake to think punch resistance can't improve over time. Even if you don't hold that a human body can change all that much during one lifetime (I'm not talking evolutionarily here, obviously) fighters learn to roll with shots better, read shots better, take less risks and so on, all things which can contribute to a fighter getting stopped or not, and which directly or indirectly contribute to "punch resistance."

Foreman might have been, under all that extra padding, the same fighter as before, but he had a lot more experience and a different mindset going into the ring. He'd pace himself better, expose himself less, and deflect shots on his big arms a lot better than the younger iteration. He was also much thicker set, and generally harder to move, so there were physical elements present as well, IMO. Same reason Toney was a lot harder to hurt at heavyweight than at middleweight.