Why don't some classic boxing fans and historians give modern fighters credit?

Who bends their knees more: Luis Ortiz or Tommy Burns?

I'll wait.

 

I know! Insane, isn't it?

In fact if it wasn't for ringside observers like Perry to point out how it really went down I'd have formed an entirely erroneous impression of these fine fistic technicians of the 20s and 30s.

All because of some twat of a camerman and his crappy equipment.

 

If these modernists visualize Tyson in 1920's camera, they still imagine him in a very clear black and white image, with fluid movements. Somehow it plays in their minds that he's is way bigger, and twice as fast as Dempsey, and would just rip through the film with his coil sharp bob and weave movements.

Guarantee it.

In reality, his setup punches would look like inside scuffling.
Wow factor on the speed would be completely gone.
Wow factor on the punches would be reduced significantly.
He'd be criticized for immobility and pace.
Opponents would appear woefully inadequate.

Every time Tyson rushed his opponents with his Peek-a-boo style it was a thrill.
With 20's cameras, that sense of thrill with be replaced by a mild "wow."

You wouldn't be able to appreciate his balance, the fluidity in his movements, because you can't even get proper sense of velocity and acceleration when frame rates are wildly inconsistent.

 

Is your sarcasm supposed to indicate that the camera equipment of the 20's wasn't crappy compared to todays technology?

Then I got some crack rock in Idaho to sell you.

 

Fair enough.
I see it differently. Looking at the resumes of many of the fightrs of those eras shows a load of top fighters facing one another, more so than in later eras (in my opinion).

 

Max Baer v Tony Galento was labelled "Battle of the Bums" by the press of the day.
So why would anyone think that their skills were representative of the era??

 

What does the Bum of the Month club tell you about Louis's resume?

 

Louis fought 8 heavyweight champions and 2 light heavyweight champions,I can't see much wrong with his resume.

 

That for one episode during his long reign, he was so dominant people started calling top contenders bums.

 

Nor can I. That's my point.

 

I don't think anyone here thinks their skills were representative of their era per se. They're just an easy (and fun) target because some of the delusional posters in this forum refuse to admit the obvious--that Baer and Galento were crude fighters who overcame certain big technical flaws and skill deficits by imposing themselves physically on their overmatched opponents.

PS - Wasn't there another explanation for the title "battle of the bums"?

 

Like a troll attempt disguised as legitimate boxing discussion? So basically your argument is poop stained toilet paper.

 

Bias can run both ways. Some will always pick the bigger modern fighter. Others the old time fighter. With both camps unwilling to listen to reason.

For instance their was a Bowe vs Louis thread. There were those saying Bowe had zero chance against Louis. Now im a huge Louis fan. But its unrealistic to say that a prime Bowe wouldnt at least be a headache for Louis. A 235 lb skilled SHW like Bowe would be a dangerous opponent that Louis would need to be on his best behavior to beat the best of Bowe and in a trilogy, it isnt out of the question for Bowe to take at least 1.

Or if we have an AJ or Wlad vs Ali discussion. Many will refuse to believe that they'd have a chance against Ali. It doesnt matter how solid an argument you make for AJ or Wlad, they'll dismiss it and say "but Ali beat Foreman who did they beat"?

The fact is a skilled 240 or 250 pound power puncher with quick hands has every opportunity of beating a 210 pound Ali who was not a power puncher.

On the other hand the modern crowd normally harps on and on about size. So no matter what well reasoned argument someone gives for Ali beating AJ theyll ignore it and bring up the fact that hes 6'6 240 pounds.

This causes both sides to shut down and get stuck in their own biases.

 

So you're saying Galento would decision AJ???

 

Those are legitimate points