Why don't Tyson and Holyfield take Lewis Seriously

To me it was more of a show of "Hey, i lost, but im still undefeated"

Its been a while since i watched it, but to me Vitali seemed to trying to convince people he was 'the winner' and years later, we still have idiots who believe the same.

 

Sometime, mid fight, both men fall to the floor, Lewis offers to help Vitali up and Vitali kicks his hand.

Or am i imagining things? :think

 

It was in the 4th round.

They both went down, Lewis got up first, went to help Vitali get up and Vitali started kicking towards him, while Lewis was trying to grab his hand to help him up. Very poor classless act, but one I don't use to discredit him because it was a heat of the moment reaction.

 

If you look closely at the Morrison fight with Bennt, he has Bennt hurt against the ropes and basically swings away without a care in the world, leaving his chin exposed and wham Bennt clocks him. Had Morrison tried to methodically finish the show, he might not have got caught.

Tyson HAD to be prepared and wary at all times because he was always pushing forward. On a seperate note, had Tyson actually focused on defense, rather than just relying on his chin post Rooney, he may have finished the Douglas/Holyfield fights on the scorecards.

 

God isn't that the truth. For whatever reason some "fan" just won't let this go. Personally I think there time would be better used reflecting on how much warrior mentality went into that fight, and that both fighters fought their hearts out, even if Lewis was a rather sloppy version of himself.

 

It was just Vitali trying to save face (no pun intended).

I always felt Vitali was a bit of a bully who would back down or look for excuses if someone stood up to him. My suspicious were confirmed by his reaction to the Chisora slap and then after the not so impressive performance (against a 20 fight novice), he claimed hed injured his shoulder.

Had he stopped Chisora, there would have been no injured shoulder excuse

 

And ya know thats my main issue, there is no consistency when it comes to Tyson,he is held to a level most fighters arent..when you have moronic statements like ''Lewis/Holyfield beats any version of Tyson'' how can things like that be said as fact..... so thats why I ramp up the rhetoric..to bring balance to the discussion..to give Tyson his just due:good

 

Eh I still rate Tyson higher...dont get me wrong, Lewis is still a top 10 fighter when its all said and done but if we are talking title reigns,Tysons reign ****s all over Lewis..although Lewis ****s all over Holyfield..Lewis was more consistent then Holyfield., if we say all tyson did was beat a old holmes and smaller spinks then Lewis needs to be held to that same standard..he beat a old holyfield ( in both fights I might add ) and a shot to **** Tyson..Avenging loses means nothing if 1. you shouldn't have lost to those caliber of fighters in the first place and 2. is it really avenging when you draw even?

 

I agree, its slightly easier avenging rematches against Mcall and Rahman than it is vs Holyfield and Lewis.

Mcall was dragged out of rehab and was crying mid fight. Maybe Tyson should have dragged Douglas out of the hospital while he was in his coma?

Tyson did make a consecutive number of title defences before he was dethroned, so yes i guess you can give Tyson credit for that, but the whole prison stint ruins his chances.

At least with Lewis he was able to win back his belt relatively quickly, Tyson lost his belts and then went to prison and came back and the scenery had changed drastically in the 6 years since he last had his belts.

But number of defences are just one critera of many when it comes to greatness, avenging losses and defeating the best guys in your era also plays a major part and unfortunately this is where Tyson falls short.

 

See, this is just the typical bullsh it one would expect from (a) Tyson fan boys, or (b) most Muricans. So Holy disposes of Tyson twice in Nov 96, and June 97, then has 2 fights disposing of Moorer, and Bean, gets one of the worst results and examples of cheating when he is awarded a draw against Lewis, but all of a sudden he is old or " shot " because Lewis was just too good for him.

Talk about nationalistic, or fan boy fuking nonsense.:roll::roll:

 

Because prime Tyson Holyfield and even Bowe for that matter knew how to take the distance away and make their opponents fight inside. Hell even Ray Mercer was able to make Lewis look stupid. Lets face it Bruno could box about as good as Lewis could, but Lewis could fight a bit more and realistically had a better beard.

 

You keep talking about Lewis not being able to fight in the inside, and yet it was those upper cuts which stopped Tyson in his tracks, hurt Vitali and smoked Grant. Against Mercer they were trading punches as much as anything, because Lewis was trying to knock Mercer out, and when he realized he couldn't well he had to fight, and fight he did. This idea that Lewis can't fight on the inside is complete imaginary ****.