Why don't you "boxing" fans just say it? You will always hate Floyd no matter

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jeff M, Nov 19, 2009.


  1. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not like that is a vetted source, but I will cede the point. Still, would that not be fair since FMJ fought it on his terms earlier? Would it have turned out differently for FMJ? Again, my point is always not to demean MP, but to put his actual accomplishments into scale with the hype surrounding him.

    Okay, he beat ODLH. FMJ did it first. Okay, he beat Hatton. FMJ did it first. Still one guy gets treated one way. The other guy another way. That is fine and dandy from the fans on forums and bloggers, but you are getting this crap from seasoned media professionals. Nobody understands why he is bitter?
     
  2. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This thread started out having nothing to do with Pacman and now the true agenda is surfacing...

    ''That black people are continually disrespected and need to do more than others in order to be acknowledged for what they're worth !''

    That reasoning for sports alone is very ridiculous, especially coming from the fact that it's loaded with talented black men...
     
  3. bald_head_slick

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    Not at all. What you said has some merit. That is cool. Okay, we can say if you play the nice guy you will be treated like one. The interview is what I show to refute your point.

    What I am saying is that the whole interaction is screwed up. I think that is BS because the media's job is to respect the practitioner. You never see an NBA or NFL commentator start off an interview with a player degrading him. Or Larry Merchant's constant bashing of minority fighters or "the guy he doesn't like". Only in boxing.

    Manny never has to be an ass because Brian Kenny would NEVER approach an interview in this way. The media never says, "Manny why are you running scared from XYZ? Why are you ducking boxer XYZ? Boxer ABC was destroyed by DEF. Why are you facing ABC now and not XYZ? How can you call yourself the best and not face XYZ?" They do that crap to FMJ though.

    Damn that was a lot of letters! LMAO!
     
  4. kirk

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    What hate? What... asking LEGIT questions?

    its not ABOUT him playing the villain, **** that promotional bull****, i dont give a **** about that... who gives a ****.

    Im talking about **** like talking about mosleys losses as an excuse not to fight him, then fighting someone like jmm.... exactly how many losses does jmm have??? how many does baldomir have???? oh wait, i forgot... shane asked mayweather to wait a few months for their fight in 2006, thats why mayweather isnt fighting him right?... :roll:

    Ya, there is a big case for fans being pissed for him not fighting who he should be fighting.

    Margarito
    Cotto
    Mosley
    Clottey
    Pac

    he hasnt fought ONE of these guys.... lol...

    not a ****ing ONE.

    cotto has fought EVERY ONE, mosley has fought two out of the 5, clottey has fought two of the 5, and pac is going for mayweather after destroying cotto. PAC, the lil dude that was fighting at 130lbs a few fights ago.

    please... i dont want to hear any of this coulda woulda shoulda bull**** about how it doesnt matter cuz he would beat them anyways and blah blah.... fact is cotto was **** hot at one point, margarito was **** hot at one point, mosley is still pretty hot coming off his margarito win and will remain so should he beat berto, and pac is about as hot as any fighters been since i dont know when. The hatton fight was good... that is a top 140lb fighter that fans wanted to see him fight wether people want to admit it now or not, they wanted when they were both at 140, but whatever its all good.

    as for the media, mayweather gets asked simple ass questions and he gives bull**** ass answeres, thats why the media gets fed up with him. They ask him simple, standard questions, and often get downright bizarre answers, though i often see what mayweather is saying as truth, he just as much spouts complete bull****. And what, you dont think that the hardcore boxing writers and such are fans of the sport? get real... these guys grew up in the older eras, all the while mayweather prances around acting like a 5 year old lil girl and proclaiming himself the greatest, meanwhile, the top ranked welterweight hes fought is carlos baldomir.

    Carlos... Baldomir. Like i said... you reap what you sow. Its really not rocket science to figure out boxing fans and medias fustration over mayweather.

    and who gives a **** about sloppy seconds? wow... pac was only the SECOND guy to beat hatton... whoa! whats your point? If i need to break down why pac is great for you, then your not worth responding to.

    If you cant see the difference between pac moving up and fighting hatton and hoya when before it wasnt even thought possible, and destroying them, as opposed to mayweather having jmm move up after hes only fought 2 times above 130lbs PERIOD.. and beating him, i cant break it down for you. Both were impressive, but there will always be something 'more' about a guy moving up and destroying guys, as opposed to having little guys come up and safely and uneventfully outboxing them. Again, not hard to understand. Both were impressive in their own ways.....

    i dont care about hatton being 'sloppy seconds', this is boxing... everyones going to be somebodies 'sloppy seconds' at some point, so ****ing what? unless the fighter was completely beat down and ruined in the fight it doesnt really matter. Is mayweather going to be getting morales's 'sloppy seconds'? of course not.... its bull****.

    overall, not quite sure why you guys continue to act like mayweather didnt do all of this to himself. Hes not some victim.... this is boxing, hes near the top, people are going to want to see him fight other top fighters, ALL top fighters are going to have their haters, hell.... pac, an exciting, humble, one of the 'good guys' in boxing has his fair share, its just part of LIFE.... but when you conduct yourself the way mayweather has, talk about how your the greatest, and the face of boxing, proclaim yourself number one but continue not to fight who the boxing world want to see him defend his status against, its going to dig a hole, and mayweather has been digging his for a long ass time now.
     
  5. bald_head_slick

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    It has little to do with Pacman. I just use him to illustrate a point about the hate directed at FMJ. Nothing he ever does is enough.

    Even in the video I linked to with Brian Kenny. Every fighter Brian listed FMJ later faced and whipped. Still, he was right back at square one. Look at the next interview.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwNt7wv_RN8&feature=related[/ame]

    Brian is back on the same crap. Again FMJ gets hostile. Here Brian goes ripping into FMJ talking about other fighters. See a pattern?
     
  6. kirk

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    I cant watch the video right now but i think ive seen most of their interviews, and ill watch when i get home but what exactly is your problem with what brian kenny asks?

    That somehow a sports news reporter is asking about some of the more craved fights in boxing?

    what exactly does brian kenny do that is so wrong? again im not saying he isnt because i cant say ive seen THAT particular interview... ill check when i get home.

    But whats his crime here? asking floyd about actual fights people want to see? or the manner in which hes asking them or what? what exactly are we talking about here?
     
  7. Sweet Jones

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    The sad part is, you really don't see how ridiculous you look right now.

    If you want to hate, go ahead and do so. Embrace that chit. Just be honest about it. But don't try to portray yourself as some 'disappointed supporter' and wrap your hating up in some blatantly transparent 'Marquez-was-the-final-straw, I'm-mad-over-a-tune-up' nonsense.
     
  8. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You must take into account that Brian Kenny enjoys being a ***** when he's faced with a big ego that will surely create a buzz from the interview. Brian and FMJ have bad blood going way back and it's an ego trip at this point anyways....

    Just to make you see the other side...Dougie Fisher ain't exactly a white man and he sure ain't trying to kiss the establishment's ass by often criticizing Mayweather.

    Bottom line, it ain't a color thing, but yes it's an attitude thing.

    If Mayweather never would have said that he's the best ever, better than the Sugar Rays, Alis,etc., without proving it in the ring only against the very best, fight after fight...then he wouldn't be bothered as much by the Brian Kennys of this world.
     
  9. bald_head_slick

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    Man you wrote that book for what?

    Margarito - Who was he when Baldomir was champ? He was a nobody just selling wolf tickets. He barely got past Clottey and was beaten by PW. Not knocking him, but that loss destroyed his PPV status and standing.

    Cotto - Cotto could have gotten it repeatedly! He couldn't handle Zab without low blows. The dude wasn't even in the same division in 2005! WTF? I also did not hear him asking for fights with FMJ either. WTF? Are fighters supposed to look at divisions lower than theirs and beg guys to throw down? Huh?

    Mosley - He was called out and said he wanted to go on vacation! You want a link? I have put it all over ESB.

    Clottey - Are you serious? They rob this guy constantly! Manny should have been fighting Clottey! I would love to see this fight. Won't happen because the media and Arum will NEVER stand behind Joshua Clottey!

    Pac - He is about to get it. He could have waited and fought FMJ. Instead? He saw a shot Cotto and jumped at it!

    And that Baldomir crap is just ignorant. After Baldomir he had a chance to fight the C-note4C-note champion ODLH. At that time, no boxer in their right mind would pass up a chance at that. Nobody. To present that differently is just ignorant.
     
  10. bald_head_slick

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    My problem is that people say, "Mayweather has an attitude." Okay. Look at the interview. WTF!!! Why in the hell is he going at the guy throwing other guy's names in his face?!? Who wouldn't get upset?

    If you can't see the blatant disrespect then you are blind (I know you have to peep it when you go home.) Man no interviewer rips into other guys that way.

    "Why don't you face him? Why aren't you fighting him?" The implication is that the guy is scared. Sheep have bought into this crap.
     
  11. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why are you doing this ??????
    You know too well we can make this go both ways if we analyze FMJ's resume, don't you ?

    I'll tell you somethin'..I understand many people here dislike Wlad Klitschko's style and they have valid points but the fact is the guy is only facing the best his division has to offer, whether they are as good as George Foreman or not...is irrelevant. What's important is that he is making the fights happen, not just brushing possible fights off cause on paper he destroys them all !! I ain't no fan of him but I must admit the facts.

    That's exactly what Mayweather must do right now, on and on and on in order to AUTOMATICALLY deserve the POSSIBLE title of best ever. No excuses should have prevented the mights mentioned above.
     
  12. bald_head_slick

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    You cannot make that go the opposite direction! Fighting every six months he fought 3 fights at WW before fighting the "King of PPV". ODLH could name his terms for a fight.

    Still somehow, nobodies like Margarito coming off of recent losses and Mosely coming off of recent losses and a HORRIBLE showing against a washed up punching bag felt they could not only demand fights, but terms in said fights? WTF? It never has worked like that.

    These people continue to walk into this making demands when they hold no cards. Then say they are being ducked? Maybe Clottey SHOULD start calling guys out?

    Examining these possible match ups at the point in time they were possible you can't come to any other conclusion. These people were not viable options or priced themselves out.

    If you can flip it please do.
     
  13. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've always favoured fighters who take the big challenges and are about more than money.

    I admire Floyd and consider myself a fan of his skills. But his hip hop mouth and BS prima donna behaviour puts me right off.

    If he;d fought Margaritto, Cotto and Mosley in the last 3 years or so I would have a lot more respect for Floyd as I believe he could win those fights. But no. He says he's more complete than Ali and can't finish of a lightweight.
     
  14. scatterbrain

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    Pound that *****!!!!!


    manny vs. pussyboy mayweather.

    seriously, mosley calles him out on national tv.

    what did mayweather say again.
     
  15. wingchung

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    i dont hate floyd. i just dont respect him as a man. do you c clottey and mosley pulling the race card? you must fight the best 2 b the best. margo, clottey, mosley, williams , and cotto. the klits have haters also. race has nothing to do with. mike tyson was adored by the entire planet.