Why exactly do people say Haye's chin's so bad?!?

I'd rate Haye's overall chin as average, certainly not "glass chinned" by any popular definition. But one has to see it in conjunction with his terrible defense and his risky, wide-open fighting style.

He is vulnerable to getting wobbled *AND* he leaves his opponents plenty of openings to catch him at will. That doesn't bode well for his future at HW and he knows that very well. Haye himself has said multiple times he doesn't see himself defending his HW belt multiple times against dangerous #1 contenders, he just wants a couple quick paydays and get out.. before he gets caught, which is just a matter of time.

 

It's amazing that with that terrible defence and having fought some guys with decent hand speed he vary rarely takes a punch flush... Hayes defence is based on reflexes and for him is actually quite effective. By having his left hand low he draws his opponents lead to counter and can throuw his jab from an angle his opponent can't see whilst safe in the knowledge he has the repflexes to slip most punches.... when his opponent unloads a flurry his hands go up but he is more than happy to slip single shots

 

Haye was struggling to make weight at CW and it had an effect on his punch resistance, eg. Pac his chin looks far sturdier when getting hit by a true WW than when he was 7st + or even FW, i haven seen Haye get hurt once at HW after fighting Valuev, Ruiz, Barret and Bonin, no hue punchers, but Barret can bang and Valuev isnt feather fisted.

Im not saying Haye doesnt have a suspect chin but so does Wlad and there not half as bad as people make out.

 

He's been technically knocked down by Ruiz and Barrett but neither knockdown were called. At the end of the first with Ruiz, Haye gets hit with a shot and falls back on the ropes, which should've been called as a knockdown. I mean, literally every fight out of his past 4 or 5 he's been knocked down or close to it. Macca staggered him and Mormeck had him down. Terrible temple.

 

Was about to say, didn't he get KTFO in the ams?

 

you don't gas in 3 rounds if you're a competing athlete, that's absurd. solis starched him.

 

As explained in my earlier post the knockdown from Barrett was from being square footed and was caught off balance which is not indicative of a poor chin. Ruiz never once scored a knockdown or anything like it....

Macca never staggered Haye at all and Macca is a big puncher.... i know what part of that fight you are talking about... go back and watch it and watch the fighters feet... Macca stands on Hayes foot, no punch lands....

As explained earlier... he was weight drained against Mormeck which will have a big effect on your punch resistence as he was dehydrated... he had to lose 10lbs in a week prior to the Mormeck fight

 

Go watch the video dude.... he finished on his feet not even hurt... just wasn't throwing enough back.... If you don't know what you're talking about... don't talk

 

Because he's been acting like a **** and people want to stick it to him. :hey

 

That's mighty convenient for 4 potential knockdowns.

 

see you didn't actually have any knowledge to come back with

 

He can get away with this "defense based on reflexes" BS against B level opposition like Valuev, Ruiz or Barrett which are all closing in on 40 years and aren't known to be dangerous punchers. It's a big difference if you want to rely on your reflexes while being gifted with only an average chin (like Haye) or you rely on reflexes and you got a rock solid chin (like Vitali). Night and day difference.

Haye won't get away with that type of "defense" against faster, younger heavyweights and he knows it. An over-the-hill, 38 year old John Ruiz was landing punches on Haye. Now I'll leave it to your imgagination how good Haye will look against a game 30 year old top HW contender or peer champ.

If you look at the post-fight interviews of both Haye and Booth after the Ruiz fight they were quite unhappy with Haye's performance -- if you can read between the lines. They made it clear their plan was for Haye to not get hit at all by Ruiz and that old shot sack of sh** was finding his target surprisingly often, considering how limited and old he was.

Turn it any way you want, Haye's defense is complete garbage considering his average chin and both Haye and Booth are perfectly aware of the fact that it may be too late to teach Haye new tricks. He didn't change his style since the amateurs. He didn't learn anything new -- except for pacing himself better. He didn't technically improve much. He boxes like he always did.

In order to reach the next level he'd have to completely revamp his game plan and become more defensive which I doubt he'd ever consider. That's why he keeps talking about retiring at 31. He knows he's not built to last at HW. He's here to cash in quickly before being exposed and knocked out.

 

I get what you are saying but you are missing the point that his reflexes worked very well against CW's that are faster than 99% of todays HW's.

No they weren't happy with his performance against Ruiz because he did get caught more times than he has in the past... but it was also explained that Haye hadn't sparred in training due to injury which means his timing would have been off