Why Fury will beat Usyk

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    My 2 cents for anyone interested.

    If I'm wrong about my prediction, I will gladly admit as much in the aftermath. But for better or worse, this is how I see (what I perceive as) the key dynamic playing out. And whatever the outcome, I'm just glad we should finally have an undisputed world heavyweight champion in a month and a day.

    Cheers!

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  2. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Putin did nothing wrong

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    Haven't watched yet, but I'm liking the title.
     
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  3. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    Fury understood that his entire career and legacy were "at stake". And he's gearing up for a fight so maybe we'll see Fury fit like never before.
    After this fight, Fury will be remembered as the undisputed HW champion after a quarter of a century, or he will be remembered as an embarrassment that happened to the heavyweight division.
    Fury wins.
     
  4. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Putin did nothing wrong

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    Just watched and I thought the analysis was good. Yeah, I think Ngannou's strengths were all wrong for Fury. Usyk will be different.

    I am concerned about Fury's age. While Usyk is actually older, but these guys can get old-old any time now.

    Hopefully Fury is as determined as you say.

    I assume Fury will use the aggressive kronk-style, but his old outside boxing style might not be a bad tactic. He could surprise us.
     
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  5. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury cannot beat Usyk.

    You can't predict Fury vs Usyk, regarding Fury's previous fights. Because Usyk is not slow and clunky as Fury's previous opponents such as Whyte, Chisora, Ngannou, Wilder... Fury is accustomed to bullying less skillful fighters using his size advantage.

    He is also accustomed to kissing the ground.


    I think Usyk will turn on his gatling gun and rain bullets on Fury's skull in late rounds and knock him out.
     
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  6. BrainyBoxer

    BrainyBoxer Active Member Full Member

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    I agree Rummy. I predict a late stoppage win for Fury.
     
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  7. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think Fury will be able to land much on Usyk.
     
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  8. BrainyBoxer

    BrainyBoxer Active Member Full Member

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    He has a far bigger reach and has a big size advantage. I don't think Usyk has the power to hurt Fury.
     
  9. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just like Joshua.
     
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  10. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    I only seek answers to the question of who is best. Fury has done his best to rob boxing fans of these answers. I've always felt Usyk can beat Fury, but undeniably, this should be a good fight if Fury is anywhere near as good as his nuthuggers say he is.
     
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  11. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Enjoyed your analysis as always Rummy! Though I'm afraid I'll have to disagree on who will win, since I'm fully backing Usyk on this one. But I do agree with one of your biggest points in this video, that what made Ngannou find success won't come into play for Usyk on his path to victory. I also agree that while Fury's resume has taken a bit of a hit due to Wilder and Wallin's losses, it doesn't necessarily mean it should be read into concerning this fight. Triangle theory can work, but just as often it doesn't; it's a bit of a cliche example to draw on, but Foreman easily beat Frazier and Norton, two guys who Ali struggled with and one some folks will argue he never beat, but Ali beat Foreman with relative ease.

    What makes me back Usyk still is the template set by the Wallin fight. People focus so much on the cut that I feel like the genuine competitiveness of the first half of it gets overlooked. Fury was able to run away with the fight only after Wallin gassed out about seven rounds in, and even then, a badly gassed Wallin was able to rock Fury in the 12th round. It's true that Wallin put everything he had into that punch, but considering Wallin isn't much of a puncher anyways, I mostly attribute that to Fury being tired out - and that's after a fight where Fury was largely setting the pace of things. I firmly believe if a boxer of Wallin's caliber can do all of that to an arguably better version of Fury, then a boxer of Usyk's magnitude and with his gas tank will be able to do enough to beat the current version of Fury, even the highly motivated one that we will certainly be seeing.

    My prediction for right now is a fight that's competitive for the first 4-5 rounds, at which point Fury begins to fade and Usyk takes over in the latter half of the fight on the way to an 8-4 style decision. I already know some folks are thinking "Fury fade? Get real!" and I get it, but hear me out. In the ten fights since his return, Fury's shown a pretty good gas tank... in fights where he was able to dictate the pace of things, against men who either weren't movers or who weren't very good movers in the case of Wallin. This version of Fury is pretty untested against movers and guys who have a chance to set the pace themselves. I'm skeptical that Fury will be able to find the amount of success needed to keep Usyk from finding his rhythm, or that he'll be as capable in the later rounds against a man who has kept him moving and not the other way around.

    Now, having said all of that... you can apply my "untested" comment to Usyk with Fury's style. As a pro, Usyk's not been in with guys who are exceptional movers at heavyweight either, and he certainly hasn't been in with anyone who knows how to use their weight advantage in the way that Fury does. There are unknowns on both sides of this fence, so I'm not gonna dismiss a Fury win by any means. Also worth noting is that Fury has an excellent sparring partner in Jai Opetaia, so he will certainly have been able to get in some good practice. And just like you, should Fury prove victorious and I'm wrong, I'll own up to it and say "Well, you win some and you lose some, I'm just glad it happened."

    And that's why this fight is so damned exciting. These are both talented guys, unfortunately not ones in their primes, but that's made up for in the fact that we know they'll both be coming in the best condition they can presently be in and highly motivated. The undisputed successor to Lennox Lewis has taken nearly 25 years to be crowned, but at least it has culminated in a fight between two highly skilled, motivated and undefeated guys who are the top of their generation, and nobody will be able to dispute the fact that the winner of this was made to work his ass off to earn that distinction by the other man in the ring.

    Just one more month now. This is where the rubber meets the road. The wait is almost over :ggg
     
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  12. mrbigshot

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    I also think and ever thought usyk will loose .

    He struggled against chisora where it was a walk in the park for fury .

    His soft belly will be known to fury , usyk will face now an opponent with a very good ring iq first time in hw , he is massivly inferior in size and weight and has no punching power to really hurt fury . He can only hope for his superior boxing skills .
     
  13. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    Four weeks
    Be ready mr fury
     
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  14. West of Hollywood

    West of Hollywood Active Member Full Member

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    I think there is a very high probability that this fight will be very close, and the decision could be very controversial.
    I disagree with the notion that Usyk cannot hurt Fury. He can punch hard enough to gain Fury's respect and has enough power to hurt Fury later in the fight. (I think this probably will happen at some point, but Fury will survive.)
     
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  15. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    It's definitely a fascinating fight, with several interesting angles.

    The Ngannou fight doesn't really tell us much when Usyk and Ngannou are about as different as it gets.
    Usyk won't rob Fury of the clinch, through superior strength like Francis did, but he does represent an elite ring IQ which Ngannou doesn't have the experience to show.

    Fury's never really liked fighting smaller guys, and hasn't fought someone much smarter than him for a very long time (if there's one thing Whyte and Wilder aren't, it's members of Mensa :lol: ).
    Even if Usyk is as susceptible to body shots as some seem to think, Fury's not as powerful a puncher as Dubois.

    Many angles.

    But ultimately I think Usyk wins.

    Prime, PED Fury from the Wlad fight could go either way - this Fury hasn't proved to be nearly as good, and IMHO he'd need to be.