Why giving Mosley no chance against Cotto was a sound prediction.

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  1. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lets look back at this fight and what happened.

    Mosley performed 100% to his best. He could not have performed better. That was the very best he could have hoped for and guess what it wasn't enough.

    Now look at Cotto's performance. It was decnt enough for 8 rounds or so. Then he dissapointed people a little. he went onto the backfoot. Whilst a skilled boxer this probably wasn't the best strategy for him. By sitting back and not pressuring Mosley he actually conserved Mosley's energy and gave him enough to win more than one round. Had Cotto continued to be agressive, Mosley would have been pretty knackered and not had enough to win more than one round. Cotto made a tactical error (assuming he didn't know for certain the score cards). Cotto performed ok, as you expect from a quality fighter like him. But due to his tactics, he was far from his best.

    So a 100% Mosley who performed as well as anyone of his fans could have hoped could not beat an underperforming Cotto.

    When at your best and you fail to beat someone who is off their game, it is safe to assume you have little chance of ever beating them.

    Mosley vs Cotto was like Chealsea vs Wigan.

    Wigan play as well as they could have hoped make it competetive but still lose against Chelsea when Chealsea are having an off day.

    Cotto is Chelsea, Mosley is Wigan, you'd be a fool to pick Wigan. Wigan actually have a greater chance against Chelsea though as soccer is a higher varience sport.
     
  2. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To summarize.

    A 110% Mosley failed. Therefore it is pretty obvious he was never going to win.
     
  3. Snakefist

    Snakefist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mosley could've performed better 7 years ago. He was not in his prime, while Cotto is. Now he performed at an Elite and good level, which is taking nothing away from Cotto's victory, but if you watch any of Shanes old tapes when he was the age that Cotto is now, like his battle against a prime Hoya and etc, you will notice he is much faster (cotto was faster in their fight), more head movement at times, MUCH MORE combinations from different angles, more energy (fought faster, harder, stronger, with more intensity in just the 12 round of the fight with Hoya then he did the whoe Cotto fight). Lets not get ahead of ourselves, this version of shane I believe loss and would lose perhaps 4 out of 5 times, but the Shane from 7 years ago when he was in his prime would have been something to watch with Cotto.
     
  4. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mosley could have simply thrown more overhand rights and uppercutts so i wouldnt say 100%, but the real key is that Mosley made Cotto underperform. He forced him out of his seek and destroy mode that he uses against lesser opposition and I feel that Mosley did enought to at LEAST get a draw if not win by a point. This 116-112 Coto **** is out of line...
     
  5. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that fight couldn't have gone anymore in Shane's favor.

    He had about a 3% chance of winning.
     
  6. audio101

    audio101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No chance? It could of easily been a draw or a decision for Mosley.
     
  7. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    China_hand: what percentage do you give for Ricky Hatton winning on December 8th?
     
  8. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    I agree that Mosley put on a very very good performance, and that I underestimated him to a slight degree. Cotto is still a great talent, and proved just how well rounded he is during the fight. Still, he didn't fight to his best during certain rounds for some reason, which against Mayweather simply will not be enough. He needs to bring his "a" game for the entire fight. Some part of me believes he may have tired at some stage, because this is what he did in the Ndou fight also. Might have been Nerves, or the body attack of Shane, or just the hard hard punches that were being traded at times.
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Whom do you predict Joe will fight next?
     
  10. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Couple of points.

    last time we discussed this, you indicated that Cotto definitely knew the scorecards. Now you've taken a step backwards on this.

    Second: Mosley has not been at his prime for about five or six years. Cotto is prime now.

    Prime Mosley SMOKES prime Cotto (And I like Cotto)

    Final point, we don't know for sure if that wAs 2007 Mosley's best either.


    On the great dragon, you are omniscient !

    On other matters, quite persipacious, but mortal !
     
  11. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, because of determinsm I have to say either 0% or 100%.
     
  12. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is more or less the relative probabilities associated with Cotto - Mosley:

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    The results are on a kind of sliding scale based on how Cotto/Mosley dominant they are. A Cotto shut-out being rated about similar to a Cotto KO 4.
     
  13. dru

    dru Member Full Member

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    i never seen a bigger cotto nut hugger than china hand joe... a cotto vs. mosley graph? mosley in his prime would have beat cotto.. cotto is a good fighter but not what you make him out to be..
     
  14. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whatl has prime Mosley got to do with who would have won in 2007? He obviously wasn't prime, which why a win against Cotto was unfeasible.
     
  15. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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