Why has Adamek's punching power not carried over to HW unlike Haye's?

Haye is a much bigger man than Adamek, he is imo a small heavyweight and really Adamek is a light heavy basically fighting at HW primarily because that's where the big money is.

 

This.

Also, Haye has incredible arm-speed. His fist accelerates remarkably fast for a HW, and that has a huge impact on a blow's power.

Adamek's speed isn't even close. He was never that fast to begin with, but as McClovellin pointed out, Adamek also seems to have put on upper-body mass to make HW, and that extra muscle fiber actually slows you down. (A physiological fact.)

 

Someone has almost certainly said it already, but:

1) At almost 6'4" and pretty broad shouldered, Haye is a natural heavy whereas Adamek is not. Adamek matured into being a crusier, Haye should have been a heavy all along. Haye's own fans confirm this when they excuse his loss and bad performances at crusier as due to weight drain.

2) Haye is just a better natural puncher. No offense to Ademek, who had a better natural chin, stamina, workrate, etc. But Haye is a marvelous puncher, period!

 

Valuev has been hurt several times, by fighters not especially known for their power. Sure, no one made him do the chicken dance, but it's not like Haye did something unprecedented in hurting him in the first place.

BTW, I'm not disputing that Haye has power. I just find it a bit pathetic and disingenuous to bring up the Valuev fight to make your case.

 

I don't think Haye is bigger than Adamek. Adamek weighs more and is is just as tall as Haye, he just doesn't carry the weight as good as Haye but he isn't smaller

 

Exactly :good

Even HUGE heavyweights and big punchers like Price, Fury & Wlad rarely spark someone out for 10.

Price TKO'd McDermott earlier this year and knocked him down 3 times but Big John was up on his feet every time. Sexton was out for 10 vs Price but he had already been put down 3 times already. I remember Fury putting the Brazillian guy cold out & Wlad doing the same to Chambers ...

But basically when you step up in class like Adamek and Haye have done and you are no longer fighting latvian cans or domestic level old men it rarely happens that you put people out cold with your first knockdown and the ref will step in before you get the opportunity via multiple knockdowns.

So Haye TKOing Chisora - who had never ever been on the floor in the pros or amateurs and has faced Vitali, Fury & Helenius guys all unbeaten guys [bar injury losses] with 80%+ KOs - WAS a demonstration of huge heavyweight power in my opinion :good

 

All his power and stored fat transferred to his legendary cheeeeeeen. He couldn't ko Arreola, but he did break his hand in the process. He had the worst balance in heavyweight history because of the weight of his cheen.

 

Haye had to severely drain himself to make CW, hes a decent sized heavy really.
Where Adamek was a somewhat drained LHW who gained a lot of muscle to get to HW.

But yeah its also the style adjustment, Haye still fights the same where Adamek started to go from being a brawler to a boxer (sorta)

 

Both Vitali and Helenius were fighting with 1 arm though, i highly doubt Chisora would have been standing otherwise.

 

But Toney is clever enough to land very hard counter punched and setting traps for his opponent, he was extremely good at catching opponents with big punches that they were not expecting. Adamek is predictable and easy to read, he gets by on his high activity and better mobility.

 

Nope he's saying that Valuev has proven durability thus a smaller opponent abiet with a big punch may not be able to put the bigger man down, stop being such a turd.

 

Were Chambers, Thompson, Peter, Chagaev, Brock, Castillo, Brewster, Wolfgram, Shultz, Vujecic and Shaheed iron chined before Wllad fought them? Is Wach too?

 

I'm sorry but he wasn't. His surprising and sometimes accurate counters occasionally stunned HW opponents, but they were never in danger of being knocked out. So no, he was not what you consider a "dangerous puncher".

 

Vitali hurt his jabbing arm, not his power arm, and he was still landing plenty on Chisora's keester with solid, full bodied shots.

Helenius, as we found out, had a more serious injury, which can affect you in different ways. Still, he's demonstrated massive power in his left hook when he felled Peter and Lyakhovich, so he was more than capable of hurting Chisora.

A rematch will prove whether you were right or wrong of course.

 

I think's Valuev's toughness is pretty well established. He's not utterly immune to being hurt of course, and Haye wasn't the only one to do it. He just did it in the most visible way possible on the largest possible stage. Ignorance and the bigging up of his fans did the rest. Still, Valuev's a tough cookie, no doubt.

Regarding Wlad's opps, I think it's pretty clear that a number of them were/are extremely durable. Peter was known for his iron chin, as were Brewster and Chagaev to a lesser extent. Chambers was/is a tricky customer who rarely gets hurt, and had never been put down before Wlad.

Wach has a huge chin, in the literal sense, but it's impossible to know how sturdy it is because he's never fought the sort of quality of opponent who could have tested it. If he stands up to a lot of Wlad's shots, though, I think he's worthy of joining the list.