Why has Hopkins made this unwinnable match? Why does he think he can win?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What do you make of them? Most right-thinking people are seeing a win for Joe, and I agree with them. But Hopkins has managed his career beautifully. He's really good at making the right fights. He's also smart in the ring, and I'd say it's his superior ring generalship, his smarts, that make him a cut above, that have seen him climb into the upper reaches of the ATG middles on a lot of lists.

    So given that Hopkins is generally very smart about his career, why do you think he has taken this seemingly unwinable fight?

    And given that Hopkins is very smart in the ring, a good tactician, what is it that he's seen in Calzaghe's game that makes him think he can win - if he does?
     
  2. rusticraver

    rusticraver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pretty slim, Calzaghe seems to fight his best in the big fights
     
  3. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Joe wins....Lets face it people the 43 year old man from Philly is a shell of his former self. once great, now shot.
    Plus lets figure in Calzaghe throwing over 80 punches per round to Hopkins 10-30 punches a round
    The Hopkins plan against Joe will be much like a Hatton plan of smothering Joe throwing a few punches out of a clinch...it could be ugly...I'm glad it's free
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Both you guys, thanks for the response. But you're not really answering the question.

    1 - Why would Hopkins take this seemingly unwinnable fight when he's generally a smart matchmaker?

    2 - If he thinks he can win, why do you think he thinks that? What do you think he sees?
     
  5. rusticraver

    rusticraver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The punch output thing is a red herring. Joe don't just throw 100 aimless punches. He throws lots of lightnight fast jabs and combinations out of clinches. Very effectice work
     
  6. Arran

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    Because in his deluded mind he believes all white Europeans are inferior.
     
  7. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    1-The smart matchmaker thing is a myth (if you consider taking the path of least resistance smart somethings wrong) He's pretty dumb but knows that Joe would be a serious test and make him serious money

    2-See above.....I think he may see how Joe fights best in close unleashing shitloads of combos I'm sure he thinks he can grapple when Joe gets in close.....I think he may think that he can keep Joe on the perimiter using a jab with good footwork and when Joe comes in to unleash a combo Popkins will clinch hoping to tire Joe

    I hope Joe really hurts this old *******:yep
     
  8. McGrain

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    I don't agree. Hopkins broke into the big time with a win over a welter and into superstardom with a win over a welter. That's great timing, great matchmaking.

    I agree there is money to be made, but he also could have made a shitload fighing Jones in a much easier fight - as well as holding his old foes feet to the fire.
     
  9. PrideOfWales

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    This is a great question McGrain. Thank you for posting it.

    I will attempt to answer.

    1 - I believe the answer to this question is legacy. Hopkins seems determined more than ever to create the best legacy of an older fighter. In his 40's he will have beaten the one time undisputed LMW champ of the world, dodgy decisions against the undisputed MW champ, the regarded top dog at LHW and now he's taking on the undisputed SMW champ. Pretty impressive stuff on paper. Calzaghe is the best of the recent opposition so it's a difficult question, this is a seriously tough fight for Hopkins to win. Even if Hopkins goes 12 and it's fairly close, Hopkins' stock will rise because that should would add fuel to the prime for prime arguement.

    2 - I believe Hopkins thinks that Calzaghe hasn't boxed anyone like himself. He's used to come forward aggressors who he can pick off. By demanding the fight in Vegas and a few other things, Hopkins is putting more balls in his court and piling the pressure on Joe. I also think that Joe has slowed lately so maybe Hopkins feels the same.
     
  10. bill poster

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    So he is in his early 40s..Well, he completely dominated Winky, a highly rated fighter who is JCs age. Took away his gameplan and frustrated him, got into his head before the fight etc. Hopkins is a psychological master, even tho or because of being completely bonkers
     
  11. McGrain

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    Yeah, this goes hand in hand with the argument that Joe is on a hiding to nothing because he is such a hot favourite...i guess there is some mileage in the fact that Hopkins can afford to lose without tarnishing his legacy that much - I still find it strange that - in my opinion - Hopkins has made a fight that is very very tough for him to win. A man as competitive and serious as him - it's actually making me doubt my own judgement.

    Interesting.
     
  12. Sister Sledge

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    I think the reason why is because he doesn't have anything to lose. He knows he is at the end of the road. There aren't very many enticing fights that will make the money he can make fighting Calzaghe. Plus, if he wins, his legacy will skyrocket. If he loses, it won't be a surprise. It's a no-brainer.
     
  13. VIP

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    Because he wants the challenge of doing the seemingly impossible. He's been up against all the odds in his life before. You guys are making Joe Calzaghe out to be King Kong, this way anything less than a spectacular KO/TKO win for Calzaghe will be disappointing and a knock on Joe.

    I don't believe that Hopkins has managed his career "beautifully". I don't know where you get this from? He just didn't have the resources coming up like you see with a guy like say Cotto, or even Calzaghe. He's done it his way though without the backing of a major promoter, he beat every 160 lb fighter out there as champion (admittedly in a weak era). You don't think he would have wanted the big fights earlier in his career? The fact is he has had to wait for his time and it's only been late in his career that he's been more of a force in match-making. Truth is Joe didn't have any other way to go, Hopkins eliminated prime suspects Tarer, Winky. And Taylor was KOd by Pavlik.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He could have taken on:

    Roy Jones
    Glen Johnson
    Kelly Pavlik
    Antonio Tarver

    All these fights represent a better chance to win for Hopkins - he's ARGUABLY the favourite in all of these at 168+. They also all represent decent money. Pavlik and Jones bother promise as much, if not more, than Calzaghe.

    Hopkins has taken the most difficult fight available to him. "Why?" is a question that needs answering before I hit the bookies.
     
  15. bill poster

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    You have to respect him for taking the fight- if he loses he goes out on his shield etc