Why has Hopkins made this unwinnable match? Why does he think he can win?

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  1. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins has zero chance of winning barring some kind of medical phenomena and I mean zero. You could have them fight an infinite number of times and Hopkins wouldn't even come close to winning once.
     
  2. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    i think to many people are writing of hopkins from a uk perspective, just as many americans are saying calzaghe is overated and a euro bum.

    the answer to the fight lies in the middle IMO.

    hopkins has an incredibly diffucult style for any fighter to deal with.

    jermain taylor beat hopkins, because hopkins was passive and cautious and not because jermain taylor is a better fighter.

    taylor was made out to be this young great fighter by the american media and hopkins bought it hook line and sinker and paid taylor way /way to much respect and hopkins lost both fights rather than taylor won them.

    i have watched the wright match a couple of times since i saw it live and in hindsight hopkins fought a clever cagy fight, dominating for the most part and the traps he set for the on rushing wright and the mauling/spoiling/clinching/butting are all things that would give calzaghe a hard fight.

    we know what type of fight hopkins will want to bring to the table, now in calzaghe`s favour in all his big fights he has brought his A game to the table AND FOUGHT SMART.

    unlike in loads of calzaghe fights when he was not up for it and fought stupid, only his abilty bring him the wins when he threw an easy gameplan to win out of the window.

    if calzaghe boxes to a gameplan which i see as lots of leg movement , huge ammounts of jabs followed by straight lefts down the pipe in and out and around the side stepping off to avoid bernards counters, his speed of hand and foot will be hard for bernard and calzaghe will win.

    if calzaghe follows the side to side and backward retreating bernard into his traps and flails away he will get countered and tied up and frustrated , and bernard is to good for that version of calzaghe.

    imo calzaghe should not try to look good in this fight , just pile up points with point scoring punches and frustrate bernard into actually coming forward.

    bernard is no longer very good being the aggressor, his foot speed seems to be fine in reverse but not good at setting up punches, and if somehow calzaghe could make bernard come to him, calzaghe will have the fight won.

    but i still think it will be a tough hard fight for calzaghe and give bernard a good chance.
     
  3. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    I agree, but man is that old boot one SNEAKY *******!
     
  4. PH|LLA

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    he's at the end of his career and just took the biggest money fight available
     
  5. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    no calzaghe is dirty and knows all the old pros tricks.

    he will tie up and hit on the inside/shove off with the elbows/lead with his head/step on his opponents lead leg and hit/

    he does not get called for a lot of it because he punches so much, and releases from the clinch quickly/also the hopkins fight is going to be a case of 2 of the fight games best at hitting out of the clinches.

    both do this better than nearly any other fighters.
     
  6. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    Interesting points.
     
  7. TFFP

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    1. He's taken this fight, because he's got caught up in him being 11-0 against southpaws. Also, it would undoubtedly boost his legacy, and is not a bad payday on top. Joe is 44-0 against all fighters, give it a rest

    2. He's probably read too much into the fight against Sakio Bika, and he thinks that if he makes things ugly he can cheat a win
     
  8. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    sean, you really make some great posts, thank you for your contribution.

    Do you think that Hopkins is playing on Calzaghe's emotions to affect his performance in the fight? Most Calzaghe fans know that if shown respect, JC will box (Woodhall, Lacy, Brewer, Kessler etc) but if shown a lack of respect (Salem, Reid, Sheika, Bika), Joe takes it personally and gets "involved", resulting in poor or sloppy performances.

    If you think that Hopkins is already starting to try this, do you think it will get to a 35/36 year old Calzaghe, or is that emotionally charged JC a fighter of the past?
     
  9. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    Joe seems to have matured emotionally over the last few years.
     
  10. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    More like Dirty *******.....I'm hoping he doesnt head butt Joe in the first round...the old **** trudges forward with his head down:-(
     
  11. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sean we all know (you more than most) Hopkins has zero chance, stop forcing yourself to argue points in Hopkins favour. By forcing yourself to try and appear balanced and objective (in line with how you generally are and like to be percieved percieved), you are coming out with some absolutely unobjective insanities:
    "but i still think it will be a tough hard fight for calzaghe and give bernard a good chance."

    The balanced argument is one stating "Calzaghe destroys the old man."

    Unbalanced arguments might be "Calzaghe beats Hopkins blindfolded" and ever more extreme "Hopkins could win 3 rounds or more".
     
  12. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    Are you sure about that?

    Lacy, Manfredo & Kessler all showed a respect for Joe as a boxer. Bika didn't consider him much (and again afterwards saying that Joe didn't deserve to lace up Kessler's gloves) and it resulted in a poor Calzaghe performance for the first few rounds.
     
  13. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bika has better timing in his right hand than Hopkins now, more speed and is the most skilled headbutter the sport has ever seen.

    If Joe gets the red mist Hopkins will end up like Byron Mitchell.
     
  14. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    that is what hopkins wants, calzaghe to fight an undisciplined /careless/emotionally charged fight.

    i really beleive that team calzaghe will adopt the gameplan i wrote out , as in all big fights calzaghe is up for it and boxes to the level of his opponent and occasion.

    only 1 where he never was the brewer fight , which he could have made easier, but he was so much quicker and hurt brewer so many times on the inside, he felt comfertable and in control in the pocket.

    calzaghe is definatley an emotional type fighter though and hopkins is definatley a clinical fighter , so it will play a part in the fight if the emotional calzaghe turns up and boxes out of his gameplan and hopkins will be the one to have an advantage if this is the case.
     
  15. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins can't win, makes many money.