Why has Hopkins made this unwinnable match? Why does he think he can win?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Read it all, have you?
     
  2. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A win over Hopkins after Hatton had lost his fight has a lot to do too. I feel that their logic is sufficiently boopy trapped to disfavour their own chances ( which are big obviously). They want to make insiders and fans think that this one is already in the bag... That will put a lot of pressure on Calzaghe's performance more than demotivate Hopkins and can have a reverse effect on what they are actually going to do in the ring that night... Just this sort of double thinking can create huge chances for Hopkins come fight night, specially Hopkins that got unbelievably cool in MSG with Puerto Ricans booing him. I would give more respect to Hopkins' chances if I was really into a sound strategy to out-maneuvre him... And let's face it, Calzaghe will have a tough time to out-think this guy. I believe that if Calzaghe fights his heart out, then he wins without a shadow of a doubt... If he tries to outclass Bernard with moves and poses, lol... Calzaghe by knockout is out of the question. I guess that both camps already know all of this ****.
     
  3. Imperial1

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    I am going with Calzaghe based on work rate but its difficlt to bet against the executioner .This is Joe's first stint at 175 lets see how much stronger he is compared to Bhops at this weight ..Its really a pickem fight at the end of the day but I do expect Joe to out work him If it doesn't happen and Hopkins pulls it out I would not be surprised .
     
  4. TroubleLurks

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    No. I guess I can't say that the whole thread is comical but some of the responses sure are.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Fair play - to me Calzaghe is faster with a higher workrate, and that's a lot of ground for "intangibles" to cover.

    As to Joe at LHW, I fully expect him to be better there he's been struggling to make 168 for years.
     
  6. Imperial1

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    Only time will tell I will say this if Hopkins fight the same way or if he's allowed to fight the same way he did against Winky expect Hopkins to win in an ugly ass fight ..But if they box I expect Joe to really out work Hopkins ..I still like Joe by UD but lets hope we get a boxing match and not a wrestling macth ..
     
  7. Shane

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    Giving hopkins no chance is silly considering Bhop is the slicker-craftier of the two, Defensively Bhop is also superior to Calzaghe.
    Calzaghe is also a Southpaw and Hopkins is 11-0 with 8 Ko's against southpaws.
    Sure the most likely outcome will be that Calzaghe outpoints Bhop and wins on points but it will not be an easy fight for Calzaghe like most would lead you to believe.
     
  8. McGrain

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    Well, Hopkins must have seen something. I mean he doesn't fight to lose and he doesn't take fights he doesn't think he can win.
     
  9. Imperial1

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    I agree he he's no stranger to speed considering he fought Oscar and Roy ..I am curious to see his gameplan in how to nuetralize joe's speed ..
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    He has probably seen the kind of stuff sean was hinting at and hoped he'd get under his skin to make him fight like he did against Bika. Wouldn't be enough and wouldn't happen, though. Let's not give Hopkins that much credit. He is intelligent and cunning, but he isn't clairvoyant or "supernatural"...no pun intended...
     
  11. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    I think we forget that Hopkins called out Joe after the Bika & Manfredo bouts. This was before Joe fought Kessler. You would be forgiven for thinking that Joe looked a shadow of himself in those bouts. It could be that Hopkins pulling out of a scheduled fight with Calzaghe a few years ago, coupled with Joe's apparent decline could be the reason.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Nobody who knows the game would have been fooled by the Bika and Manfredo performances. I think the Bika performance is underated and showed a good adjustment. I think the Manfredo perfromance - fight a joke opponent & you're going to look a bit of a joke, frankly. But no-one would have said he was in decline.
     
  13. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You saw the Hopkins interview I posted, Hopkins knows he can't win.

    He basically stated Calzaghe>Kessler>Pavlik>>>Wright>Taylor
    That he mugged Wright and couldn't beat Taylor.


    It will be very apparent after the fight it was unwinnable.
     
  14. Dorfmeister

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    There we go again with your Hopkins interview post... Hopkins also stated that JT would stop KP and he has recently and mostly underrated european opposition ( wrongly in my view cause Cal and Kess are world class)... That interview doesn't prove your case - that a Calzaghe fight in unwinnable for him.

    Man, it's pretty obvious that B-Hops doesn't respect Cal's punching power so he'll most probably try to nullify his effectiveness or punch connect rate by doing a Wright number on him cause he can't do anything about his punch output itself... His economical footwork creates the distance and angles that will cause Cal to miss as never before and be put outa position, while he'll be looking to sneak right in with his wiry-frame 28-inch waist structure and driving counter rights and short punches with something resembling regularity. I have this idea that Hops has seen some sort of flaw when Cal combines the double jab with the straight left - Cal's jab is very good but the left hand is not sharp, comes a little bit looped and without enough leverage... Those are the instants and spaces that Hops will concentrate his game on. If the jab doesn't score often and precisely, I honestly don't see how can Cal penetrate Hops' guard. I don't believe that Hops will maul, tug or push as much as in the Winky fight since Cal is stronger and quite dirty himself too. He'll do more of a Tarver thing and he was good at it - all three judges scores 119-108.
     
  15. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    108!?? So Calzaghe won't win a round?