Why has Manny experienced such a sharp physical decline, post 2009/10?

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any version of pac loses to floyd though

 

Age. Everybody declines physically in their 30s. Some can compensate and be even better or stay at the same level, others drop off.

End of.

 

I thought he would retire once he got elected. I think I was half right. I think people are underestimating the toll the Margo fight took on him too. He should really never have gone above 140.

 

Pac doesn't have the killer instinct anymore.

 

He did?

I surely missed it.

By the way did you see, Bradley's face after the fight?

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Yes, I can most certainly see the results of having been turned in to a live human bobblehead.

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About the only thing Manny injured in that ring was Bradley's ankle and his own pride.

 

I'll agree with that. But if you were to put him in with a stationary fighter tomorrow he would look like the Pacquiao of old. With age comes decline, but Pacquiao is facing moving targets now also.

A lot of how ordinary Pacquiao looked against Bradley was because of Bradley.

 

2 sides to the story, 1 he has declined, 2 he's fighting moving fighters.

It's a combination of both. To explain his physical decline, look at his stamina, that is nowhere near the same relentless Pacquiao as before. He was fighting 1 min out of 3 at Bradley fight. Kinda reminded me of Morales vs Maidana. You can say "well thats because he's fighting a moving target", BS. Watch his fights JMM 1 & 2, can you not see how much more intense and relentless he was back then? He was getting counter punched like hell but he kept coming. Same with his fight vs Morales, watch his first fight, he was clearly beat yet again he kept coming.

That same passion and intensity simply isnt there anymore. The old Pac would have never eased up on Margarito or go half arsed on the last 3 rounds vs Bradley. This is a guy smiling through the fight, when before he'd smash his gloves, raise his hands up and get ready for war. That mentality is just not there.

I do however think though that physically, he looked very good against JMM and Mosley. Mentally he didnt have the same killer instinct but physically he looked fast and explosive. I do believe the leg cramps problems were there though, he was complaining about it between rounds and in his latest fight, we see him not use his legs in the way he use to, obviously signalling that the leg cramps is a problem they were weary about.

As to why he could beat PBF then and not now. Without stamina, without aggression and without fast feet - all of which he has seem to have lost, I just dont think he has a chance anymore. Before I could see him jumping in quickly to close the gap, throwing fast str8 short combinations and given his southpaw style, will break mayweather down. Of course that is under the assumption Mayweather fought Pac like he did Ortiz/Cotto.

Both are past it, but a fighter relying on stamina, footspeed and aggression, without those he is at a much bigger disadvantage. Mayweather can rely on skill, that **** does not fade so quickly.

 

Perhaps this was a conscious choice.

He had no stamina issues in the prior fight when he was fighting Juan and even finished stronger of the two. There should be some gradual decline of stamina. Hard to believe it only took 7 months for his stamina to go from good to ****.

 

Got off drugs after the heat came down on him after Cotto.

 

Your avy >>>>

 

I think its been gradual. Look at the wars he was at with Morales/MAB/JMM - even in the end of the 12th round it looked like he could go another 10, and he fought every single of every round, even when he was getting countered like hell by Morales and JMM.

In the Margarito fight, a lot of people say he let Margo off which may be true, we do see him give him a hug and say something to him, but at the same time, Pac did look tired towards the end. VS Mosley, yes Mosley was moving around, but then again Pac wasn't exactly throwing much. Maybe he's become more calculated with his punches, whereas before he would just throw whether it missed or land, either way, it looked like he was unable to pull the trigger.

Against JMM, JMM fought a perfect fight, no doubt Pac being gunshy was to do with JMM's counterpunching. Again though, his ferociousness just wasnt there compared to their previous 2 bouts, this might go with was Nacho said in that Pac is more predictable now that he fights more like a boxer rather than a brawler but his stamina wasnt tested as his output wasnt nearly as high as before. That said, he did look fast and sharp to me, JMM was just great that night.

This last fight, I dont see why it would be a concious effort. if any fighter needed to be overwhelmed, it was Bradley. Not like Bradley had 1 punch KO power to shock him coming in. Going in this fight I noticed he was the fattest he has ever been, it showed in the weigh in. Also havent been very impressed with his padwork. Watch his padwork for this fight, looks like a Cotto session, he looked a lot sharper in the Floyd fight.

He's taken a lot of punishment, got to the point in his career where everything else is just an icing on the cake. Simply put he's not hungry anymore. When that hunger is gone, so is the passion, and IMO passion is what drives that relentless aggression. Personally i'd like to see a rematch with Bradley, win that comfortably and retire. JMM will beat him convincingly in the rematch. I can see Bob cashing him out on a Floyd fight next year though.

 

I think that even with the Margarito and Cotto loss he did take a lot of damage to the head,so maybe they were not wars but he did take some harder shots then he was used to at lighter weights. Now those 2 I am not saying slowed him down,but had a factor..

 

exactly, mayweather and pac are like federer and nadal, lebron and kobe

one relies on technique. the other on physical abilities

 

Margo did some serious body work in that fight! Margarito is a beast, walks through every thing. If the Cotto fight went the distance I believe Margo would have knocked him out again.

On topic, I think it could be age, no longer using peds, lost the hunger or a combination of all 3.

 

He has quite clearly declined, whether you believe he has been facing better opposition or not in recent bouts (which he has not).

Simply age and ring wear and tear. Pacquiao relies on great physical attributes, these don't last forever and can be burnt out so to speak. Pacquiao has been around for ages now, you don't just look at just the bouts with a boxer who relies heavily on physical attributes like Pacquiao does...training, sparring, etc all burn the candle. In turn, this can result in a very noticeable decline.

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Always believed Mayweather had the edge, even more so now...even with Mayweather's own slow decline.

They don't age at the same rate inside the ring, or with training, sparring, etc. Pacquiao takes more shots than Mayweather, his style is the reason for this. This is also one of the main reasons Mayweather has stuck around so long and partly why he is in great physical condition still.

Pacquiao being younger is irrelevant.

All above.

Hard not to when you bring him in to the discussion yourself :conf