Why Hatton is not worthy of your support

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Fallow, May 24, 2008.


  1. Fallow

    Fallow Active Member Full Member

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    There are plenty of reasons to not be a fan of Ricky Hatton. I was once one of his biggest supporters and had the pleasure of watching him come up through the ranks. I saw him fight live in Manchester on no less than 15 occasions, the last of which being the Vince Phillips fight. That moment was a watershed for me, it was the moment that I decided that I was no longer satisfied with watching Hatton blow through the same limited opponents each week. For the next two years we were treated with contests against the likes of Aldo Rios and Denis Pederson whilst Hatton’s extraordinary pay demands nixed fights against credible opponents like Sharmba Mitchell and Vivian Harris. I personally decided that I was no longer a fan after Hatton withdrew from the mandatory challenger’s position to Harris’ WBA title because Harris (the then World Champion) wanted 50% of the purse, this was unacceptable to Hatton who withdrew when it looked to be heading the way of a purse bid. All of this smacks of greed, Hatton is without a shadow of a doubt the greediest fighter of his generation.

    He is also risk-adverse, he has a long and well documented history of sending himself down the path of least resistance. Not many people know this but prior to his fight with Kostya Tszyu Hatton had failed to meet even one recognised top 10 opponent. The best of the bunch was Ben Tackie who fell outside of the top 10 after being completely outclassed by both Mitchell and Tszyu. I was of the opinion that Hatton had done nothing to deserve a crack at Tszyu, but money talks and by that time Hatton was big business and I guess Tszyu fancied a big payday (I believe he got 7m) before hanging up his gloves.

    Even when Hatton did finally step up to world level by taking on Tszyu they ensured that his chances of success were maximised by insisting Tszyu come to Manchester and by waiting until he was very old and on the way down. Even in opting to go after Floyd, a fight that even the simplest of human beings could see that Hatton had very little chance of winning, they ensured that Hatton would get a monstrous payday and had many excuses to fall back on in the event that he lost (fighting above his wait, fighting on foreign soil, fighting one of the greatest fighter’s in history, still the 140lbs linear champion). And now we are facing the prospect of watching Hatton, for a second time, face Floyd in what would undoubtedly be one of the biggest money spinners since… well… since Hatton-Mayweather 1. And what will Hatton have done to have deserved a second shot at the P4P king? Precisely squat. He will have beaten an utter nobody in Juan Lazcano and beaten Paul Malignaggi who you can add to the increasing list of very weak paper champions that Hatton has beaten.

    I could also talk about how Hatton built up his initial fan base by leveraging off of the name of Manchester City Football Club and then choosing to hobnob with the more fashionable Manchester United (City’s arch rivals) players like Wayne Rooney and David Beckham. I could also talk about how he ducked his most credible domestic rival Junior Witter for the best part of a decade sighting reasons that stink of hypocrisy and in doing so denied the British public a fight they so sorely wanted to see. I could talk about how Hatton has positioned and marketed himself as ‘a fighter of the people’ yet continues to abuse the support of his fans who have never held Hatton accountable for any of the above antics and would turn out to watch Hatton fight Mickey Mouse or Juan Lazcano. I could talk about the comical rhetoric that comes from him and his team, like how Hatton professes to be the most exciting and entertaining fighter in the world, yet over the last 3 years has fought with a style more akin to John Ruiz than Jack Dempsey. Or in the aftermath of the Collazo fight how Luis was touted around by Billy Graham as the second coming of Winky Wright, a claim that had many of us in stitches and would later be proven to be as stupid as many of us initially believed.

    In short, Hatton is not a fighter’s fighter, he will rarely appeal to purists like me who prefer to see their fighters pursue meaningful contests against the best opponents available and possess a level of steely confidence in their ability negating the need to assess risk. Hatton is nothing more than a media product straight out of the Oscar De La Hoya school, he is a brand. Over the years his fights have increasingly become more about filling stadiums, breaking attendance/PPV records and broadly speaking generating revenue and less about actual BOXING.

    As a result of all of the above, it is the view of this humble writer that Ricky Hatton is not deserving of your support.
     
  2. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You have seen through the bull****, sadly so many others cant.
     
  3. JC2006

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  4. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    wait till scurla or betty swollocks catch a sniff of this:lol:. should be fun.
     
  5. Barber-ian

    Barber-ian Active Member Full Member

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    Sorry, i don't buy it.

    Hatton's earlier management did protect Ricky from taking on top opposition early though mid career, but that's no fault of Ricky's. He's always shown nothing but respect and admiration to the elites, as we as a willingness to egage them in the ring.

    Since his new management, Hatton has stepped up, to mixed results. He went up a weight class, leaving his cumulative, punishing punches back down in the JWW. It showed agains Callazo and Urango -- and certainly against FMM.

    But lets talk about Floyd. If you are to claim that Ricky has lived a charmed existence of carefully picked opposition out of fear and self preservation, they why take on PBF? Why Go up a weight class, where you'll had demonstrably lesser success, travel to PBF's adopted home town and fight not just any WW, but the best WW in the world? Is that deserving of respect? I think so.

    I don't feel the shame or the glee that lovers/haters express over Hatton's loss. He have a good, honest account of himself and really let know PBF he was in there with someone who came to fight -- can't really say that about most other PBF oppostion. Hatton knocked him around for a few rounds, imposed his WILL on the best fighter in the world in his back yard and at his weight class.

    Sure, right fell short. He was outclassed. Outsmarted. Knocked out. But he has nothing to be ashamed of -- on the contrary, he's done was so few ever could or would dare.

    I don't quite understand the Hatton vitriol out there. Is it a US/England thing? Do we even have a thing between the US and England? Didn't that end about 231 years ago?

    Stack Hatton up to Mallignaggi in terms for performance. One brought energy, pop, agreesion, brawling, vulnerabily and heart into the right. The other brought a ridiculous hairpiece that wouldn't stay wrapped. Doen't Hatton at least compare favorably against Paulie, one of this peers? You can make that concession, surely.

    But perhaps not. What are the things about Hatton -- and try to be honest -- that you don't like out there?

    The humble attitude?
    Self deprecating humour?
    Respect for his opposition?
    Love of family?
    Love of community?
    Enjoyment of the good life?
    Agressive, straight forward style?
    Viscious body attack?
    Unflagging enthusiasm?
    Occasional bursts of real skill
    Exciting style (compare to Pauli, for example)

    What is it?
     
  6. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I see your points. But at the same time, this is a business and it makes business sense to do it the way Hatton has done it. Risk averse and maximize profits. It's not fan friendly but at the end of the day, you are out to make as much as you can while the going is good. Put yourself in his shoes, i think most would do the same.

    There are few fighters out there who are truly single minded in only wanting to fight the best. Jermain Taylor comes to mind first and foremost. Winky Wright is another. I know it would be great if everyone fought the best but it just doesn't work that way.

    But i think it was a great post regardless. :good
     
  7. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wah wah wah, the guy fights great fights, **** off.
     
  8. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    It's a little harsh on Hatton, but there's truth to it. However, Hatton is hardly the only fighter who pads the record and looks for winnable fights. Sadly, that describes a lot of fighters - and their handlers - today. When there are big paydays to be made, managers are gonna protect their meal-tickets.
     
  9. Betty Swollocks

    Betty Swollocks James 'Lights Out' Toney Full Member

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    great post, agree with all of it. For boxing purists the guy stinks.
    wait for the Hatton sackswingers to come on here calling you names, and pretending that's now a grand total of 4 madmen who have the nerve to call it like it is regarding good ol' Wicky.
     
  10. Betty Swollocks

    Betty Swollocks James 'Lights Out' Toney Full Member

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    but how many of these money grabbers constantly bang on about how it's for the fans and being a man of the people?
    And did John Ruiz ever compare himself to the likes of Gatti, Chavez and Duran in terms of excitement?
    At least guys like Mayweather are honest enough to say how it's about max paydays.
     
  11. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    unfortunately for you, not only purist are boxing fans and many would support one-dimensional fighters like hatton. the more important matter that people want is excitement, knockouts and more importantly a fighting heart.
     
  12. crazyboy867

    crazyboy867 Active Member Full Member

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    i like ricky hatton's personality but watching this guy fight makes me want to sometimes throw something at the tv.
     
  13. Fallow

    Fallow Active Member Full Member

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    Thanks. I understand entirely that boxing is a business and the men who take part in this brutal sport do so to provide a living for themselves and their close ones – there is no shame in this. The reason why I single out Hatton in particular is two fold:


    • Hatton takes it too far. Before he even fought Floyd last year he had already made enough money to last him and his family several life times over, I personally had helped line his pockets. There comes a point at which most fans would reasonably expect a fighter to dampen such avid pursuit of dollars and start facing the men that matter and set about returning on people's investment in him.

    • For the longest time Hatton claimed that he desperately sought the biggest fights against the best fighters available, yet his actions demonstrated the contrary as the very fights that he professed to yearn for fell through due to his pay demands. What would have been more accurate for Hatton to say would be this: “I desperately want to fight the very best fighters out there but only if I have home advantage, my referees and at least 70% of the purse whether you’re the champion or not”.

    He just comes across as fraudulent to me.
     
  14. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why did Hatton and Witter never get it on? Was Hatton really ducking him or was there more to it?
     
  15. Betty Swollocks

    Betty Swollocks James 'Lights Out' Toney Full Member

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    Hatton made a variety of excuses as time went by, each and every one of them was blown out of the water. So make your own mind up.

    -'Junior needs to beat some top contenders' (Witter did, and by the way as Fallow points out Hatton himself did not beat a top 10 140lber before he got his big shot at Tszyu - reeks of sickening hypocricy).

    'he needs a belt' - Witter got the WBC. Wicky moved on to his next lame excuse.

    'He sells no tickets' - and the long list of bum opponents did?

    'He whispered 'one day' to me at a sports dinner' - :|