Why Haye might lose to Valuev

True points.

 

In fairness, Haye was eager to impress in the Barrett fight and so became sloppier than usual. That said, it's completely plausible that he could lose to Valuev. We shall see what happens when it happens. I fancy Haye for a UD- if Holyfield can push him for 12 and Chagaev can outpoint him then I see no reason why Haye can't:good.

 

I dislike Haye as much as anyone on this board.

But I can't see him losing to Valuev. Haye was a legit champion level at Cruiser. He was also a big Cruiser, which means he should be pretty natural at Heavy (in theory).
Valuev is better than a lot of people are willing to admit, but still not very good.

I think Haye will make him look silly.

I would prefer for Valuev to KTFO Haye.

 

We dont know what this guy has, besides a very big mouth. Valueav is so bad, but he Haye is going to have to knock him out to get the win, I hope he knows that.

 

Haye is terribly over-rated, Valuev will win..

 

But stamina was the only reason that he lost the Thompson fight...

 

The spin on this fight is funny, because I have no doubt that Haye exposes the big joke and KO's him.

Its some easy money for me, thats if Haye is fit and does not cry off with another fake injury like he did before.

Therefore Iwait 2 weeks before the fight to put 100 down on a KO win for Haye.

 

Haye has to remain very calm and disciplined in this fight. If he does and manages his stamina well I don't see him losing.

But he can't get excited like a little kid , throw his discipline overboard and go punching those looping hooks wildly like in the Barrett fight straight from round one. He will lose way too much energy. Even in the Barrett fight it was very risky and he got tagged a few times after he missed and was wide open for a counter. Valuev is much harder to reach but admittedly is much slower than Barrett.

If I was Valuev I would try to do enough to win a couple of the earlier rounds (if possible at all) while trying to clinch as much as possible with Haye, leaning on him with my 350lbs of lard, squeezing out all stamina out of Haye's body in the process.

Then, once Haye is tired in the 8-9th round, Valuev could try to pack out some of these huge clobbering shots of his and try to connect with Haye's average chin. Should be enough to wobble him. Haye is not known for coming into a fight avoiding shots, he comes in trying to eat some shots but hitting bigger shots in return. If he tries that with Valuev in the late rounds he might be exposed badly. Of course, this will only have a chance of working if Haye gasses and becomes exhausted, so that must be Valuev's primary game plan.

 

You make some good points of why Haye could lose. Speed is one reason why he could win. Speed and Staminia will be Haye's key to winning the fight.

 

Fair enough, these things said it all for Haye. I'm not a Hayehugger but the question is, is Valuev that kind of fighter to make use of these advantages, what I really doubt !! Besides Haye's disadvantages, what does Valuev have to take care of the business??

 

Hitting Valuev is like hitting a brick wall...its not gonna go away anywhere....if Haye expands too much energy trying to put away Valuev he will get himself knocked out. Although Valuev is not known for his knockout power, a very tired fighter will fall when being hit with even sloppy punches.

Haye needs to work to decision Valuev, fight smart, dont expand too much energy early on and then hit the gas pedal in the last rounds to impress the judges.

 

If (and that's a big if) Haye does gas and can not keep up his defensive movements then Valuev has a realistic chance of taking him out in the later rounds with one of these caveman style clubbing overhand rights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqz_uf2rImE

I would love to see the look on Haye's face once that type of bomb connected.

 

Haye may well lose this fight:

He has to box to win, rather than blow the guy out (Valuev has a good chin).
He has to be disciplined and conserve his energy.
He will get 'leant on' by a huge guy.