Why I think Mosley has a genuine chance

You know Floyd and 50 cent be hanging out alot, he is just making fun of it.

 

Also, remember that for Floyd everything begins and ends with the effectiveness of the shoulder roll defense, which has befuddled orthodox fighters. Roger, in a recent interview, stated that the antidote to this--and I agree with this-- is a sustained jab and that Mosley didn't have one. Hence, he'd lose. However, as Castillo 1 demonstrated, the jab isn't the only counter to the shoulder roll defense. While it's important to note the early successes that fighters like Corley and Judah had against Mayweather, we should be careful to remember that they were southpaws and the shoulder roll isn't as effective. Therefore, if Mosley can incorporate an effective jab and a body attack, coupled with all of his other known attributes--size, strenghth, power, and, especially, experience--I would really be surprised if Mayweather pulls out a decision.

 

Mosley is a very good puncher, but he's not a murderously hard puncher or anything. You're not talking about Julian Jackson here, with loaded dynamite in his gloves. Heck, you're not even talking about Pac who can hit you with hard shots that you never see coming because of the angles.

In his most recent five fights at 147 he only has one KO/TKO, and that was against Margarito who he spent nine rounds landing 20 hard punches a round against before he got him out of there. He couldn't KO Collazo or Cotto who are both more offensively minded than Floyd, and less defensively sound than Floyd.

I'm not even sure that he's the hardest puncher Floyd has ever fought if you adjust for weightclass. Corrales had a monster KO percentage when Floyd got him and DLH has always been a hard puncher, even late in his career.

But really the question isn't how hard Mosley can punch. This isn't a heavybag. If Mosley can't get those punches in then it doesn't matter how hard he punches. Marquez may have had no place at 147, but that didn't somehow make him a stupid fighter. He's a very intelligent fighter, and he knows how to get punches in. He used feints, doubled up on the right, and did things that Mosley, frankly, probably isn't going to do. Being fast isn't the only way, or even the best way, to land a punch.

 

Mother****, Castillo was 8 years ago. Floyd has been fighting longer SINCE the Castillo fight than he had fought before it. Do you think that perhaps he has grown as a fighter some since then? Heck, could you not look at the rematch where Floyd decided not to let Castillo fight his fight and won comfortably?

Floyd is a very different fighter now than he was then. Even when they were in the center of the ring, when he could have made space, Floyd chose to fight Castillo at about 2 inch range, because he liked to mix it up. He's much more cautious now. People look at the way Floyd fights now and assume that he tried to fight Castillo the same way and Castillo FORCED an ugly fight. But if you actually watch Floyd's progression in the proper order the first Castillo fight was perfectly in line with his style. After the close fight and the criticism he changed things up a bit.

Castillo is a terrible blueprint, and I know this because Castillo lost twice, and he lost worse the second time than the first.

 

Very Good post....:good

 

Oh, I think Mosley has a shot at winning. Floyd would be my pick if I had to pick, but Mosley is certainly a live dog. But I don't see him winning by KO or TKO. I think if he wins he will do it by frustrating Floyd and mauling him, the way Hatton tried to do. Impose his size, tie him up, push him around, go to the body often, and build up points while Floyd is in his shell and then clinch and spoil when the fight gets back out into the center of the ring where Floyd will try to even things up with accurate counterpunching and potshotting.

A lot of the stuff he did against Margarito would serve him well in this fight. I think if Mosley goes out thinking that Floyd is going to wilt under the first few solid punches he lands then he will ultimately lose because he will be looking for that punch all night. But if he's willing to hit Floyd any which way he can just to get some leather on him, and frustrate Floyd when he tries to counter, he could do it.

 

You're right about that. However, I look at the the quality of opposition since those two fights with Castillo--and I think you would have to agree that many, many people felt that Castillo 1 was a gift decision for Floyd--has regressed: Sosa, N'dou, Corley, Bruseles, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, DLH, Hatton, Marquez. Not exactly a who's who of the lightweight-to-welter landscape...I think the Castillo 1 "blueprint", in light of this resume, is a valid one. He fought better opposition early in his career, which, in my opinion, did more to enhance his reputation than any of his subsequent fights after Castillo. I think that a lot of people like you who appreciate Mayweather don't put him or his abilities in the proper context and like him as a fighter, cherry pick in your opinions about him.

 

The simple fact is that irrespective of competition Floyd is different fighter than he was against Castillo, who he beat convincingly in a rematch when Castillo tried to apply the same exact plan that he had used in the first match. So even if Floyd was the same fighter you know that he can beat a guy who fights like Castillo, because he beat Castillo. And since he's not the same fighter it becomes even less useful as a gameplan.

And please don't forget that Castillo was Floyd's first fight at 135. He outweighed Floyd by about 10 pounds in the ring for both fights. He was significantly bigger and more comfortable at the weight so imposing his strength was easier. Mosley may not even be the bigger man in the ring by the time this fight happens. He weighed 154 on fight night against Collazo. Floyd probably weighed that against Marquez.

 

I didnt say it... B-Hop said it!

 

Exactly.......Mayweather likely sooner gets hit on the button by a fighter he does'nt respect can hurt him, than a fighter he actually respects and therefore alert for....

The thread starter makes a ridiculous statement when he insinaates, Marquez hit Mayweather some clean shots, therefore you know Mosley will....as if Marquez was not on Mosley's level.:rofl:rofl:rofl

Let me tell you something here.....JMM is leagues above Mosley as far as technical mastery and being able to set up punches.......to suggest that Mosley will be able to run Mayweather into some big shots because Marquez was on a couple of occasions able to is outright ludicrous.



I'll say one thing about Mosley's chances in comparison to Marquez'......Mosley is physically much stronger than Marquez, so if he's able to bully Mayweather to the ropes and focus mainly on hitting Mayweather's body.....and he invests on that through the early and mid portions of the fight.......then Mosley may have a chance to slow Mayweather down enough late where he can land some heavy shots down the stretch of the fight.

Its going to be difficult cornering Mayweather onto the ropes however without the aid of a jab.

DLH made the jab work for him, but Mosley's is **** poor in comparison.
Without the jab to make Mayweather respect what may come after those jabs, Mayweather is going to be able to see everything coming at him crystal clear........which is why I believe Mayweather will beat Mosley in dominating and easy fashion.

 

Can't argue w/any of it. Very well said.

 

What does Floyd's so-called evolution as a fighter have anything to do with the principle of using a "gameplan" that Castillo utilized in the first fight? What difference does it make that Mayweather was able to "decisively" defeat Castillo in the rematch? Isn't that more of an indication of Floyd's intelligence and ability to adapt than whether or not the strategy was effective? The fact that many who saw the first fight felt that Castillo was robbed is a testament that the strategy he utilized was indeed effective on that night. Castillo has fought one way, and only one way, his whole career. To say that the strategy of a sustained mauling, body attack by a fighter that, as you admit, "outweighed Floyd by about 10 pounds" and whom many felt pulled out the victory, isn't useful is wrong in my opinion.

You question whether or not Mosley is gonna be, in fact, the bigger man come fight night. Do you mean heavier? All of us here have seen enough fights to know that weight isn't enough of a decisive factor in contests between two reasonably sized boxers who are supremely skilled and conditioned. You attribute Floyd's less than stellar performance in Castillo 1 to fighting a heavier man and to it being his first fight at that weight class. You fail to give Castillo's strategy any credit for making that fight downright scary for Floyd and his fans.

I said before that Mosley can benefit from the strategy that Castillo employed in the first fight. The fact that Mayweather solved Castillo in the rematch doesn't mean that he has solved the principle of the strategy.