'Why I Took A Dive' by Sonny Liston

I'm saying Liston wasn't an Oscar-worthy actor capable of landing blows that look powerful enough to seem legit but not powerful enough to knock an opponent out, while taking combinations on the chin without falling down despite knowing he would take a dive anyway later on. Anybody who has seen him actually act in TV shows knows so, he was terrible.

And certainly if the rematch was an act, he didn't do a very good job of it as it looked awful with him flopping around the canvas. You just have to wonder how he did such a great job of fixing the fight the first time around.

Dundee pushed out a lot of other fighters to meet seemingly difficult and even hopeless situations, sometimes less successfully. He did what a trainer should do in those days, urge his fighter on when he still had a chance.

They used to lift the fighters back up after the bell even if they had been knocked out cold in those days.

Ali attempting to quit in his own words suggests that he certainly wasn't in on it, just one bit of proof (among many) that eats away the credibility of Senor Pepe's theories.

Fake KD or not, Ali shouldn't have been allowed to stand over and intimidate Liston while the latter was on the canvas. The referee botched it and we never saw whether Liston could've continued, potentially saving his reputation and the fight.

 

Well, doesn't that all suggest he wasn't acting in round 3 ?
That says nothing as to whether he tanked the fight though.

You seem to be answering your own question.
If he was tanking it why throw good punches at Clay ?
I say because he was defending himself.
You say he wasn't a good actor ...... well, that would explain why he was throwing the hard shots then.

He didn't do such a great job.
He bowed out with a bum shoulder, and left quite a few people scratching their heads.
"What the hell is this ?" was Marciano's loud exclaimation from ringside.

 

:-( His people got to you, didn't they, SP?

 

In the first fight with Cassius Clay.

Sonny Liston speaks - "Well,why did I quit ? I'll tell all you mothers the goddamn truth,from the top. I was simply intimidated by a guy whom I could n't intimidate"

 

I hope Im not the only person who gets extremely tired of these agenda driven posts by Pepe/Duce.

 

Stepin Fetchit provided Ali the key to victory in Lewiston.
He taught Ali the Anchor punch that decked Liston. Fetchit had learned it from Jack Johnson.

Ali said this was true and he doesn't lie.

 

This makes no sense. If he was fighting and defending himself, then he wasn't tanking it. He only tanked it after having his face busted up and having thrown everything he had at Clay to no avail.

Therefore there is no case of the fight being a fix and a pre-arranged affair, but simply Liston having had enough against a better opponent. There has been no concrete proof whatsoever towards the fight being a fix and plenty to suggest that it was legitimate. At that stage you have to admit that the case isn't very strong or that there isn't a case at all.

LaMotta-Fox was a fix due to LaMotta by his own accord holding back from knocking out his opponent and ceasing to defend himself in order to force a referee stoppage. Liston did not hold back with his punches and he was defending himself constantly by bobbing and weaving as well as blocking.

 

What about the Liston Group getting promotional considerations on Clay's next 3 fights if he won Fight One?

 

So following that logic then jimmy braddocks fight with louis mustnt have been on the level since he got a percentage of all Louis's fight purses as champ